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I have a rental property, a private home in Texas. Recently an oil company determined that oil and natural gas may be present on or near the property. They have issued a check for about $14K for the rights to explore. It wil not interfere with physical property. Question: Can I claim this as income from the Property on Schedule E of Form 1040, or do i have to claim it as personal income on Schedule A?

Submitted: 542 days and 5 hours ago.
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Just reading the Code, but can not get to the root of the issue. I live in California but the property is in Texas

Karl

Posted by Ed Johnson 542 days and 2 hours ago.

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Dear Joyce,

 

Thank you for your question.

 

This is termed a mineral lease by the IRS even though it may be a single payment. It is a lease becasue it is not transfering ownership, but mearly allowing use of the land for exploration of oil, gas, or mineral. So yours may be a one time payment lease. or single payment lease as they are sometimes called.

 

You are correct that it is taxed as regular income.

 

Before I can tell you how it is reported, I need to know something about the terms of he lease.

 

Does the lease permit merely surface exploration? or drilling, and extracting of mineral (oil and gas).?

 

 

542 days ago.

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The actual K uses this language: "...only for purposes of exploring, drilling and mining for and producing oil, gas, sulphur and other products produced as a counterpart of oil or gas from the wellbore, in and under the herein described ..." I hope that is clear enough for your response.

 

You need to be more clear about how this is reported. If it is ordinary income, I don't understand why it would not be considered "a return on my investment in the land." To my reasoning, it is like a "dividend" and is part of the "p & l" statement contained in Schedule E. If it is considered regular income, can I include it Capital Gains? What options, if any, do I have.

 

I will appreciate your explanation and response.

 

If I don't get back to you right away, it is due to meetings tomorrow. I will be checking my inbox regularly for your reply.

 

Thanks, XXXXXX XXXXX

542 days ago.

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Dear Ed,

 

Also, I seem to have missed the description of your background. Since I also am an International HR Consultant I wonder how you know tax laws and codes. I know little or nothing based on my dealings with "people driven" issues all my career.

 

JM

Posted by Ed Johnson 542 days ago.

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Dear Joyce,

 

so how does one get to be proficient and qualified at tax as an international HR consultant?

 

Welll

 

1. 28 years of military service, in which I was trained to do the VITA function for income tax preparation for my soldiers and family members, and rear detachment persons.

 

2. Then Certified as a GPHR which includes modules on International TAX

 

3. 7 years corporate where I coordinated and handled expat taxes in concert with Ernst and Young, KPMG, and PWC. (internationally including tax equalization estimates)

 

4. Member of the IRS Tax Advocacy Panel (TAP), appointed by the Secretary of the Treasury, so for the past two years, working directly with the IRS and a panel of tax attorneys and enrolled agents in fixing IRS issues.

 

It surprises me that as an international HR consultant, you have not developed the expertise of working with international assignment issues, which are international employee relations. Tax Treaties, totalization agreements, tax equalization, hypo tax calculations, calculations of tax for deferred comp, equity compensation, and so forth.

 

And, I am currently the senior HR consultant for the Women's Venture Fund in NYC (pro bono), and their small business tax consultant.

 

I will get your answer in a minute. I have it saved to disk.

 

The IS directs how this is to be done. just want to get the references for you.

 

The key is that they intend to use the lease for production, which means this income is subject to depletion allowances and expenses. let me get the information you need.

 

The problem I was having is that the language you were using and lack of detail about the contract were not matching IRS regs.

 

Your answer is then:

 

1. If this contract is a true lease, and based on the content you provided, it is reported on Schedule E. If they actually find and start extracting product, you will be entitled to depletion allowances. If your lease is like typical mineral leases, it probely allows for payments of royalties if they start extracting. These too are reported on the schedule E.

 

2. If this were a permanent relinquishment of mineral rights, then it would be considered not a lease, but a sell and would be reported on schedule D.

 

 

Ed Johnson39717.010275463

541 days and 11 hours ago.

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Hi Ed,

 

Thanks. Actually I was Sr. VP HR for a Fortune 500 company and I had large staff doing pension and ex-pat. details. My personal background is MBA with much emphasis on organizational development and planning. Sorry, but I can't match your credentials on tax issues (that is why I am checking myself out). Your background is most impressive ... I was curious as to how you got there (smile).

 

Before I accept your answer here I want to try to clarify the lease isssue again. I have read the contract and let me give you the opening statement : "Notice is hereby given that on (date) an Oil and Gas and Mineral Lease was made and entered into by and between (my name and address)." Later in the agreement -- at the end of the 1st paragraph -- it states: "Lessee operations include production, to save, take carof, treat, transport and won said oil, gas sulphur, and other products produced as a component part of the oil and gas from these properties ..." I don't think there is any question that it is a true lease. And, Ed, there might be royalities (yes) if they find something.

 

Lastly, Ed, I can not print your answers. When I hit my "print" button on the computer only my questions print out. Do you know what I have to do to get a printed record of your responses? It is just for my records.

 

I expect to "Accept" after you respond to the above. Thanks so much and good luck in endeavors.

 

Joycee

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Dear Joyce,

 

Thank you for the comments. I like your credentials as well. I do have an MSA in HR that I am waiting on the diploma. My largest company was covance, inc. I am 58, and looking for another full time position, but I have ran up against some age bias. I will never quit...perseverance is the thing. I started my corporate career late in life (age 50). got the BS at 52, and the Masers, waiting at age 58. My next goal, SPHR certification, JD or PhD in Psych. Never die; live strong, one more mile...etc.

 

OK, so regarding the lease. I agree that it is a true lease. They are not just exploring and it sound typical. They will explore, and extract, and you will get royalties later on. This remains on the schedule E. However you are not entitled to depletion allowances until they start producing, or extracting gas and oil.

 

To print this answer try copy and paste into word, if the print function does not work.

 

Try select all, and then print, print selection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ed Johnson39717.5333984954

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