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Hi, I have 2 new cockatiels that I got 3 weeks ago. One is about 12 weeks old, and the other 8 weeks. The younger one has been crying for food lately and finally I looked carefully at her and it looks like there is dried food stuck inside her beak. I gave her a little bath and rubbed her beak a bit and got a big chunk of it out of the bottom, but it looks like some is still stuck in the top. They get a mix of seed and pellets although I don't think they eat much of the pellet food. They are water bottle trained, and both are acting normal except for the crying and beak thing on the younger one. I'm going to give her a bath again tonight and see if I can get more out. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike
Submitted: 437 days and 5 hours ago.
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Dr. G
436 days and 3 hours ago.
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for your question. Are you still hand feeding the younger one? If she is crying and begging, she is hungry. Do you have a scale and are you weighing them? Weaning a bird can take some time. It is great that you are offering a mix of seeds and pellets, however, you basically need to teach them what to eat. You are taking over the 'parent' role.
At home, before you feed them, I would put the pellets on a table and let the birds out on the table also. Start tapping at the pellets with your fingers. You can also click your fingernails together to make a little sound. This is to make it sound like a bird is crunching at the food. Act like you are eating the pellets and makes lots of yummy sound. Since cockatiels are ground feeders, they are more inclined to try new food this way. If they don't eat a bunch of the pellets, at least your are exposing it to them and they are learning the texture etc. Do this every time before you hand feed them. You can also put out some soft cooked food like sweet potatoes, carrots etc. You may also want to try different shapes, brands etc.
Once you try this, go ahead and hand feed them if needed. I would expect the young one to still need handing feeding for awhile. I would love for you to get a scale and check their weights daily. Weigh them before you feed them so no food is in the crop and at the same time every day. You don't want them to lose too much weight while weaning. Please let me know what their weights are. Again, the crying and begging is her telling you "I'm hungry, I'm hungry". For a great discussion about diet and cockatiels in general, check out the National Cockatiel Society's website at
www.cockatiels.org
. You can search their library.
As for the material in her beak, I would try to get it out. If it doesn't come out, it could interfere with her eating or cause an infection to start. I would use a moistened Q-tip (s) to gently wipe out.
The other thing I would recommend since they are new would be for them to have a vet visit with a vet who sees birds. A new bird should have an exam and just have a good physical exam, confirm their gender for you and possibly some blood work. There are some diseases they can carry that can possibly infect people that your vet may test for. They will also discuss with you proper care, diet etc. This will also allow you to develop a relationship with a vet so you have something lined up in case of an emergency with the birds. Often, when birds are sick, they get sick quickly so it often becomes an emergency. If you don't know of a vet, please let me know where you live and I can possibly give you a referral. You can also go to
www.abvp.com
(find a diplomate) or
www.aav.org
(vet look-up).
Please let me know what other questions you have. I look forwards to hearing from you soon. If I have helped you today, please click on "accept". Thank you,
XX. X
436 days and 2 hours ago.
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Hi, Here's some more information on the younger one. I weighed them a few days ago and they were both about 90 gm. My concern isn't so much the food, it is that she has started to whine. She didn't whine for 2 weeks after coming home with me, and now she does. I thought at first she just wanted attention but then I noticed the food stuck in her beak. She does like the cuttle bone, and she has been weaned since I brought her home. I got one chunk of "stuff" out of the lower beak 2 days ago, and last night I think I got all of the chunk from the top. I also noticed that she seemed to have a whitish spot on the side of her tounge and I got to wondering if the food didn't perhaps collect in the beak because she has a sore on her tounge and thus wasn't licking out the inside of her beak properly. Well for now, I will keep a close eye on her and if things don't look normal, or if the weight goes down I'll take her into the vet as you suggest. Any other thoughts? Thanks Mike
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for your reply. I'm glad to hear that they were 90 grams. That is a good weight for most cockatiels (most are between 80-100 grams). I would still recommend you reweigh her as that would tell me if she was eating. Let me know what the new weight is.
You are correct about the white spot on her tongue. This could be a sign of a problem such as wound (possbily from previous hand feeding injury) or abscess or infection. It would probably be difficult but is there any way you can take a picture of it and post it? You can click on the tree icon on the toolbar.
When is she whining? Is she alert and active? Droppings okay?
I would keep working their diet and that you teach them to accept a wide variety of foods now ie. pellets, vegies etc. It is much easier to teach them now vs. trying to convert them when they are older. I'm not a huge fan of cuttlebone. It is used as a calcium supplement. It is much better for them to be eating pellets, dark green leafy vegetables as calcium sources.
Please let me know what she is doing this weekend. Talk to you soon,
Dr.G
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432 days and 1 hours ago.
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Hi again,
Well, she doesn't seem to want to let go of that whining sound... Otherwise she seems ok though. The spot on her tougue is gone and she's up to 97 gm. Interestingly though, food looks like it's starting to collect on the roof of her beak again, I'll have to keep an eye on that.
Thanks for your thoughts along the way.
Mike
Posted by
Dr. G
431 days and 3 hours ago.
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear that her weight is up and her tongue has healed. When exactly does she whine?
What type of food is collecting in her beak? Is she still getting some soft foods?
Thanks, XX. X
431 days ago.
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Well, that's hard to characterize. The two primary times would be when I change the food dish, she will whine and then make her way down to it, sit in it, eat and whine. And sometimes she will just sit there an whine as if for attention. I think that some of the whistling we do (that is to say, when she is whining, my son will whistle like that egging her on perhaps) might reinforce that, so I told him to stop and when she is whining we can whistle but in a different way.
She hasn't been getting much in the way of soft foods lately, I'm going to cook up some seeds the breeder gave me and offer them tonight and see what happens.
I'm also wondering if the fact that they use a water bottle could have anything to do with it. With my past birds they would put their whole beak in the water dish and then throw their head back to drink. With the bottle, perhaps the beak isn't getting rinsed out in the same way??? I don't know, just speculation there.
I did noticed just this morning that most of the pellets were gone, that in my mind is a good thing in that presumably one or both of them are accepting them now.
Thanks for your thoughts, have a great day,
Mike
Posted by
Dr. G
430 days and 23 hours ago.
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Hi again,
You are correct in trying to not re-inforce the whining. BIrds will definitely react to attention and you can promote their screaming, whining etc. There is a great website at
www.goodbirdinc.com
that discusses positive training techniques that I think will be of help.
As for the water bottle, I don't think that is the problem, but you could certainly try a dish and see how she does. Just make sure she knows that water is in it and knows how to drink from it before removing the bottle Overall, it is just unusual that she is getting food stuck in her beak. I would still encourage you to have a new bird visit with an avian vet and discuss this with them. They can do a good oral exam to make sure there is no physical problem causing it.
It sounds like she is a lucky bird and has a great family. Great job with the pellets, however, cockatiels are a bird that I don't recommend a 100% pelleted diet. I would still allow her to have a small amount of seed and millet, plus healthy vegetables etc.
Again, best of luck with her!
Dr. G
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