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I recently purchased a small conure who is not that old. In fact, I had to wait two additional weeks for the store to finish hand training her before allowing me to bring her home. I have furnished a large habitat for the conure that contains all needs required. I have had birds before ranging from Cockatoos to Macaws ( I also have an aviary in another room in my house that is very large and contains a variety of finches. The cage that the conure has was purchased by King Cages (from what I understand is very reputable amoung bird enthusiasts as well as many veternarians). I leave the conure out when I am home to sit on her stand and play. My problem is that, while she readily jumps into my hand in oreder to perch on my shoulder she bites. I have never had a bird do this. What can I do to curb her from this behavior.

Submitted: 434 days and 16 hours ago.
Category: Bird
Value: $15
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Age: <1; Female; Breed: Conure

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Just parience as it has only been a week. I have a magazine from King Cages and they sell a product that curbs a bird from nipping? Although marketed as all natural, I am not sure that this would be an appropriate step. As I explained in my letter, have owned these fine feather animals in the past and have never had this problem so I really don't know wshat to do?

Tom

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 434 days and 10 hours ago.

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Hi Tom, take me through the exact steps and motions you're using to get her out of her cage, where you transfer her to initially and most of all, how hard is this bite and how long is it?

 

Does she make a noise when she does it ? Any sort of raspy growl or squawk?

 

 

434 days and 6 hours ago.

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<p>The conure was trained to leave the cage on her own. The cage I have opens two ways: one thriught the top and the other, the usaual way - the front door of the cage. SAhe exits both on her own when opened. I transfer her to my by putting my index finger beow the front of her but just abover her claws. I then tell her to step up and she does. The bite is hard and I don't let her last to bite because I pull away and tell her no. I could tell when my macaw and cockatoo were going to bite down or were they just looking to hold my finger in their mouth.</p><p> </p><p>I noticed the raspy growl once or twice. She rarely makes any noise unless I am walking by thde cage and I don't stop to take her out. I really want to spend more time with her walking around with me when I am home and be able to take her places. She bites down on my neck as well.</p>

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 434 days and 6 hours ago.

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Thanks for the extra info, I think I can work with you on this and most importantly between the both of us we can get this behavior modified before it goes on too long.

What's her name by the way?

You're right about King's Cages too - very nice selection, very good cage.

Do you cover her at night ? How many hours does she usually spend sleeping?

How many hours do you have her out every day?

The more I understand about your and her habits, the more we can get some new behaviors started.


Thanks,

434 days and 5 hours ago.

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Hello,

The conures name is Sandy. I cover her cage at around the same time every night around 8:30 - when the sunsets. I take the cover off when the sunrises. I have her out during the week when I get home from work at around 5:30 and put her down on the arm of the chair while I am eating. I hand feed her with seeds - no problem there. I, of course would like to spend more time with her on my shoulder and playing but the biting. I have only had her for around 2 weeks so weekends I try as much as I can - I socialize to much on my job, so being at home is great.

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 434 days and 5 hours ago.

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I understand how much of a comfort and outlet having a bird can be, so let's try to convince Sandy.

 

I like that you're covering the cage at a consistent time. Birds like routine. Try for 12+12 hours though rather than dusk to dawn. If you typically get up at 7:30 a.m., then put her to 'bed' at 7:30 p.m.. Don't worry about the light as much as the number of hours to keep her natural clock set right. Covering is also excellent. You're doing a good job.

 

You might be surprised to know that her biting is very likely for your reaction. She's enjoying the habit and even though the feedback is negative, it's still feedback (and routine) to her.

 

So, to change the biting, change your reaction. That's much easier said than done isn't it?

 

Since it's just an initial bite, if you can tolerate it and not react - she's going to lose the reward of your usual reaction and not be very interested in doing it anymore.

 

As you've noticed, once she's up on your hand and after that initial bite, she usually stops. If she doesn't, giving her an "earthquake" a gentle shaking of your hand, but not enough to dislodge her or cause her to feel insecure, will often distract her.

 

I've also found that walking quickly into a different room (which isn't hard to do with a bird chomping down on my arm like a pitbull) will surprise them enough to stop. Suddenly, in new surroundings, I'm their best friend.

 

If you cannot get your bird to cooperate right away with hands, remember, you've got years ahead of you - it's worth it to do this right. Try just placing your hand in the cage for a minute and letting her get used to it being there. Having a treat in hand will help make your fingers a positive thing.

 

When it comes time to take them out of the cage, if you're really concerned about bites, we've used layers of old socks on our arms, hidden by our shirt sleeves so the bird doesn't get used to seeing the socks. To effect the layers, cut the toe end out of old/clean socks and pull them up over your arm, then pulling your regular sleeve over these layers.

 

Tuck your closed hand down and offer just your arm to the bird with the command (in a normal, but firm voice) to ‘step up'. Put the arm up to the bird's feet (just above them) at the breast and it should naturally step up onto your arm.

If you get bitten (the socks should prevent it from really hurting and reacting), bring the bird to just below your eye level and looking right at them, firmly tell them ‘no biting', ‘don't bite' or ‘be gentle' (whatever phrase you use should be the one you maintain).

 

You're doing the right thing in keeping her nearby as you watch t.v.. It's a wonderful bonding experience for her.

 

While she's sitting there, go through the ‘step up' exercise, but don't stress it. When it's obvious that the bird doesn't want to do this anymore, don't push.

 

Eventually you'll find there's no biting happening when you reach in to take her out of the cage. It won't be long before you're doing this without the ‘socks'. You may still get nipped now and then, but the ‘no biting' instruction should curb it.

 

One thing I keep reminding myself is that as much as it may hurt (this bird I'm interacting with is one of the larger macaws, known for the most powerful beaks in the bird world!), I'll heal. The bird, however, may not. They are forever in captivity by us. We can leave the house, find amusements and distractions, hobbies and interests. These birds are completely at our mercy. Their day, indeed, their lives, are only as full and rich as we provide.

 

Again, you are doing a very good job. She's very lucky to have you!

434 days and 2 hours ago.

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Thank you. I see you mentioned that she was a large bird - I may have read this wrong but she is smaller than a large cockatiel. I have been bitten once by the Blue and Gold I once had but I don't remember it hurting as much. I mentioned that she nips my neck, Continuously. Is it possible that , the woman who hand tamed her had long hair, Sandy is trying to clean what she perceives to be my feathers. I mention the length of the womans hair because hers was longer around the neck and mine is shaved and after a few days is minor stuble(please take note that this may be irrelevent since my macaw did this and I am not sure if this is natural to a small bird such as conures. If it is true that she is trying to clean my "feathers" maybe she just can't a hold of a "feather" (longer hair}but a stub and so the pinching?

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By 'large bird' I mean bigger than a parakeet - and more noticeable a bite.

 

If your blue & gold's bite didn't hurt, then that macaw was just 'beaking'. These are often mistaken for a 'bite', but they're really just a method of communicating a need or feeling. Not to say they can't hurt ! It's like being pinched with pliers, but it's not a bite like you're apparently experiencing with your Sandy.

 

Very good observations about the feather cleaning too! Or in your case, 'hair'. A youngster like this is still learning that we aren't exactly like them and yes, she could be trying to break your feathers out of those shafts (hair). Now and then even some older birds that know better will try it with me. They end up with a chunk of grey and I end up needing a comb-over!

 

My rule of thumb, when the bird graciously leaves it intact, is that if blood isn't drawn by these very adept beaks, then the bird isn't serious. I truly believe Sandy is doing the biting only for the ritual of it.

 

I have a Severe macaw (a mini macaw) that bites harder, longer and deeper than any of the giant macaws - and as strange as it sounds, the way I stop her is to pull her in very close to me and cuddle her, talk nice and start stroking her head. Stops her every time, but believe me, just about stops my heart every time too. It goes against all of our human instincts.

 

Sandy needs to learn that you don't have a beak and can't tolerate the pressure she's exerting with hers. So gently and calmly stop her with distraction or as I do with the macaw, swiftly move her to your chest on the one hand and lightly hold her snuggled there with the other. It's sort of like a "hug", but we both know we can't hug a bird because their chest won't withstand it.

 

Also let her take your finger gently in her beak while praising her for the right amount of pressure. When she increases the pressure, stop the interaction and tell her 'no', or 'gentle'. One of biggest biters and biggest macaws has learned that 'gentle' means to tone everything down a couple notches. Her vocalizations get softer, beaking eases up, even her activity level slows down a bit.

 

I don't think you're going to have any real problem with Sandy. You have good perceptions and instincts.

 

I'll be happy to follow along so just re open this anytime ok?

 

 

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434 days and 1 hours ago.

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Thanks for everything. I am very happy I e-mailed you and your advice was invaluable.

Tom

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