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I have a 9 year old female collie who has been groaning and moaning and, at times, her teeth chatter. She also has two lumps on her side.

She has been to the vet three times in the past two weeks. I taped her moans for him to hear. His answer was that he did not know what was wrong and that if her moaning kept us up at night, to put her in another room.

Any advice? Thank you.

Submitted: 501 days ago.
Category: Dog
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Age: 9; Female; Breed: collie

Already Tried:
antibiotics and steroids

Posted by Anna 500 days and 22 hours ago.

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Hello,

Where on your dog's side are the two lumps located? How long have they been there? Has your vet told you what they are? Are they soft or hard?

Is her appetite good? What about her energy level?

Thank you for the additional information.

Anna

500 days and 22 hours ago.

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Thanks for responding. One lumo is behind her left leg on her side and the other lump is on the right side. The lumps seem soft. The vet has always just touched them and said they were fat deposits. One has been there abouto 2 years and the other one about 6 months.

Some days her appetite is good, on others she only eats half the usual amount, although she always wants her Milk bones! Her energy level is the same as her appetit, one day good, one day she sleeps a lot.

Any info you can provide will be deeply appreciated as she is my "baby"

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Hello,

Your description of the lumps does sound like they are only fatty tumors (lipomas) as your vet said. However, when a dog's teeth chatter, it's often a sign of pain, and the variable appetite and energy levels also mean something is wrong. It appears that your vet is stumped.

I understand how you feel about your "baby." I have a smooth collie who I feel the same way about it. Of course, I can't tell you what's wrong based on an online description. The symptoms are pretty vague, and could indicate any number of things. I recommend that you take your dog to a veterinary teaching hospital. Such hospitals have specialists on staff, and they have the best technology and up-to-date information for diagnosing. Often, they aren't as expensive as you would think because they are operated by the state. If you'll tell me what state you're in, I can give you contact information for the nearest one. If you live near a border of another state, tell me that one, too. I think if you'll take this step, you'll be able to get to the source of your collie's problem.

Anna

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Answered: 7/8/2008

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500 days and 21 hours ago.

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I live in thenorthern panhandle of WV, close to Pennsylvania and Ohio

Posted by Anna 500 days and 21 hours ago.

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Thank you. There is no teaching hospital in WV, but both PA and OH have them. Here's a link for Ohio:

http://www.vet.ohio-state.edu/hospital.htm

And, the phone number:

(XXX) XXX-XXXX

This one is for Pennsylvania:

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/RyanHospital.aspx

(XXX)XXX.XXXX

I hope you're able to get in quickly and find the source of your collie's symptoms, and that it will be something easily treated. I've never been disappointed in the quality of care when I've used a veterinary teaching hospital's services. I hope you have the same experience. If you have more questions, just let me know by clicking on REPLY.

Anna

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500 days and 13 hours ago.

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Reply to Anna's Post: I am sorry to be a pest but about 24 hours after my collie goes to thebathroom, it turns white.

I am really worried. Is she really ill?

I am giving her lots of hugs tonight.

Posted by Anna 500 days and 13 hours ago.

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Susan,

Is it her stool or her urine that turns white?

Does she eat any real bones or chew a lot of rawhide?

What do you feed her - both regular food and treats?

Anna

Edited by Anna on 7/8/2008 at 7:38 PM

500 days and 13 hours ago.

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It is her stool that turns white. She has not eaten rawhide for several weeks.

I feed her kibles and bits for elderly dogs over 8 and one or two milk bone a day which she has been eating for years.

She eats no real bones.

Thank you.

Posted by Anna 500 days and 13 hours ago.

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Often, when the stool turns white, it's because of something the dog ate. However, in some cases, it can be an indication of a kidney problem. Other times, no cause can be found for it. You asked earlier if your dog could be seriously ill. I have to be honest with you - she could be. What's important is to get to the source of the problem and get proper treatment started.

One more question - did your vet do complete bloodwork on her?

Anna

500 days and 12 hours ago.

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Now I am really nervous. The vet did blood work and said that one of her kidney enzymes was really elevated but he was not concerned. I think he said the number should be 30 and she was 50 or vice versa.

She ate advil as a puppy nine years ago and I was told then that she could have kidney or liver problems.

Thank you

Posted by Anna 500 days and 12 hours ago.

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I believe you need to get a second opinion as soon as you can. If you can't get to a teaching hospital, I would make an appointment with a different vet in your city.

Because your dog is your baby, I thought you'd like to know that the food you're giving her isn't very good. The dog food companies want us to believe they're providing the best for our dogs, but many of them are not. Kibbles and Bits is full of artificial colors and other poor ingredients. I'm going to give you a link to a very reputable site that has all kinds of feeding guidelines, including a guide to choosing the best dog foods. Big name brands don't necessarily mean good. You can read the information here and decide for yourself:

http://www.dogaware.com/dogfeeding.html

There is also a whole section on the above site on feeding dogs with kidney disease, if it turns out you need that information.

For a quick summary, you want a food that has specific types of meat in the first couple of ingredients listed, for example “chicken meal,” not “meat meal.” Grains and vegetables should be whole grains and complete vegetables. Fragments, such as brewer’s rice, beet pomace, and gluten are not as nutritious. The more organic ingredients, the better, but you’ll also find those foods that contain a lot of certified organic ingredients are more expensive.

The quality brands include Solid Gold, Innova, California Natural, Castor & Pollux, Canidae, Eagle Pack, Old Mother Hubbard, and Evanger’s. You should be able to find some of these in larger pet stores. Some vets sell them, too. Solid Gold and Old Mother also make healthy treats. California Natural and Innova make biscuits. There are many other great brands, but they may be harder to find in pet stores, so you’d have to order online. The Whole Dog Journal, a respected magazine which accepts no advertising, does a lot of the work of selecting foods with quality ingredients. Each year, they publish lists of foods that meet their very strict requirements. You can see the 2008 list at this site:

http://www.geocities.com/rottndobie/wholedogjournal.html

I have used Solid Gold, California Natural, and Old Mother Hubbard with my own dogs with good results in the past. (When I retired, I began cooking for them.) Spots Stew is a great canned food I’ve used, but they don’t make a dry food.

Once again, if you need anything else, or have more questions after reading the above information, just let me know. Collies are such special dogs to me, and I want to do everything I can to help yours.

Anna

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487 days and 20 hours ago.

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Reply to Anna's Post: i took my collie to another vet. She has a little arthritis in her hips but the x-rays were otherwise okay. He put her on pain pills, which helped a little, not much. She is off the pills and is moaning more than ever. He only took x-rays of her back quarters. She moans when she is laying down but otherwise acts normal. I also want to know why she needs pain pills.

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