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My extremely hyper shepherdX has had 3 - 4 episodes of shaking/trembling over the last few months. It comes out of the blue, and lasts about an hour. He won''t leave my side, is frightened, and spacey. I think he is having some kind of seizures, and gave him .25mg xanax at onset, which seemed stop it. Ben is healthy, alert, well-fed, current shots, etc. I''m sure he hasn''t gotten into anything, because Ben and my other dog, a Lab, are together all the time in a fenced, pet safe yard, and the Lab is fine. Any thoughts?

Submitted: 517 days and 23 hours ago.
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Age: 2; Male; Breed: Shepherd/hound/pit?X

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holding him, keeping him close, .25 xanax, going to vet today if not too much $$

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Thanks for the question Lynn,

I am sorry to hear about your dog, what he is most likely suffering from is epilepsy. At first this may seem a strange suggestion but epilepsy can vary from a major fit we can all recognise to very minor fits which would be what your dog might have, these are called Petite Mal. Here is some very concise information on the subject which I recently wrote, it will cover all you need to know initially. Because your dog is just two years of age and is part German Shepherd it is probable he is suffering from the inherited form. I am not sure the xanax is the right drug to use ....

Epilepsy is just another name for fits or seizures and it occurs in the dog more frequently than you might think. Although your dog is having a very small actual fit { Petite Mal } he will get the post fit depression. Bear this in mind when you read the following.

Causes: There are basically two forms of epilepsy, one is the inherited form which is common in some breeds this is also called idiopathic epilepsy and the other is epilepsy which is secondary to some other disease situation or factor. Inherited epilepsy is present in certain dog breeds and in particular strains within those breeds. There is quite a list of susceptible breeds, I have commonly seen it myself in Alsatians and Golden Retrievers for example but as I said it is present in quite a few breeds. The secondary form could occur in situations such as brain cancers, trauma to the head, liver disease, kidney disease, low blood calcium, poisonings to name just a few situations. This article mainly concerns the inherited form of the disease.

Symptoms: A classical description of an idiopathic epilepsy type fit would be as follows. There is a pre-fit period which is difficult to spot although it is said that other dogs in the house will notice it, the dog may be restless in this phase. The actual fit has a tonic phase where the dog goes all stiff, this is followed by a clonic phase where the dog paddles its feet and may salivate and whine. After the dog recovers there is normally a period of post-fit depression where the animal is sleepy and confused and may bump into things. This as I have said is the classical description but be aware this pattern may vary from dog to dog. Another feature is that the dog may have been sleeping or dreaming just prior to the onset of the fit. Once a dog has had an idiopathic type fit there is a likelihood that a pattern will develop and more fits will occur on a regular basis, say one a week or once every couple of months.

Diagnosis: In a normal vet practice Idiopathic epilepsy would be diagnosed by the clinical signs, the owner’s description and by eliminating the other possible causes by running diagnostic test such as blood assays etc.

Treatment: As an owner what you should do is call the vet immediately for advice or to arrange a visit or consultation, then keep your dog in a quiet dark place and reassure it until it recovers. You should take care not to get bitten as these dogs are not aware what is going on and may be aggressive in their panic. If the animal is still fitting when the vet arrives he may inject it intravenously with valium [diazepam] and your dog may be hospitalised if the fit is prolonged. Once the animal is stable it can then go drugs designed to prevent fits happening in the future, these drugs are called anticonvulsives a common one in veterinary practice is called phenobarbitone but your vet will sort out which is the best drug to start of on and the dose rate. The majority of dogs have a satisfactory response to anticonvulsives and go on the lead a near normal life. The downside of these drugs is that they have to be given day in day out for the rest of the dog’s life.

Prevention: There is at present no way to prevent the onset of epilepsy in a susceptible breed. You should make inquiries before you buy a pup to see if this disease can occur in your breed. Breeders should of course not breed from individuals with a history of epilepsy in their line. In the future genetic testing may pick out individuals with a predisposition for epilepsy.

The first fit is an alarming experience for the owner but most cases recover and have a reasonable quality of life thereafter on medication. Idiopathic is a word you will hear thrown about when we talk about epilepsy. An idiot knows nothing and path means disease so I guess this word means we do not have a clue what the precise cause is!

Here is a link to a web page where you can read more about epilepsy including petite mal seizures : http://www.vetontheweb.co.uk/pet-clinic-detail.asp?id=452

I hope this has been informative for you, if you would like to discuss epilepsy further do not hesitate to get in touch.

Scott Nimmo BVMS

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517 days and 20 hours ago.

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Reply to Scott Nimmo BVMS's Post: Hi, thanks for your speedy response. Ben is going to the vet tomorrow...just one other question for you regarding the prolonged duration on these things...over an hour? Isn't that pretty excessive?
Lynn

Posted by Scott Nimmo BVMS, MRCVS. 517 days and 20 hours ago.

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Thanks for the further question Lynn,

The hours duration is most likely not excessive because what you are seeing is the period of post fit depression which can last for several hours. The actual epilepsy event albeit of the petite mal variety could only last a minute or less.

Please let me know what your vet says ...

Regards,

Scott

517 days and 20 hours ago.

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Ok Doc! All that poochie shaking is turning ME into a nervous wreck. I'm not sharing my xanax with the dog anymore, he'll have to get his own anti-whatever meds tomorrow.
Your help is much appreciated, Thanks again,
Lynn

Posted by Scott Nimmo BVMS, MRCVS. 517 days and 20 hours ago.

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Glad to help out ...

517 days and 13 hours ago.

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Re-Hi Dr Nimmo,
I brought Bender to a new vet today because mine couldn't see Ben until 7/9. Fortunately, Dr. Carson is more up-to-date,less expensive, and has a great "bedside manner". I am a new convert to this guy! Ben's total canine blood workup was normal,leaving the obvious(?)diagnoses of epilepsy. I had to make the hard choice to put Ben on a lifetime course of phenobarbitol. I would like to thank you for your concern; especially when my own (not anymore) vet, my BF, & friends didn't share my worries. I will be sure to click the "ACCEPT" button as soon as this is sent.
Sincerely, XXXX X.

Posted by Scott Nimmo BVMS, MRCVS. 517 days and 12 hours ago.

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Hi Lynn,

They often do very well on phenobarbitone ...

Scott

517 days and 9 hours ago.

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Hey Hey!
Bender got his first dose of phenobarbitol and definitely is not the sleepy dog he was supposed to be initially. Is it possble that because Ben is so "hyper" that he would need more than the average dog?
Lynnbee

Posted by Scott Nimmo BVMS, MRCVS. 516 days and 21 hours ago.

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Hi Lynn,

Some dogs do fine on phenobarbitone, you would never know they were on it, any side effects are only for the first couple of days anyway. Others are all over the place and bumping into things with the owners begging me to take their dogs of the drug, but these settle down.

You have to warn the owners just in case .....

Regards,

Scott

516 days and 21 hours ago.

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Once again, and finally, thanks so much for your help and input. Ben and I are both feeling much better today. He's calm, and I am de-stressed. Best regards to you and all the wonderful staff there - Great site!
Lynn

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