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I have a 15 yo.Lovebird who has been having stroke-like seizures for about 3 months with increasing frequency and duration - is there any thing I can do for this

Submitted: 643 days and 5 hours ago.
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This is a nice age for a lovey, you are obviously taking good care of your companion.

When a bird seems to be having seizures, falling off perches, showing symptoms of spasms, difficulty or inability to grasp or control their feet, it is frequently the result of hypocalcemia. Of course there are other conditions this could also be, but one of the more frequently seen is hypocalcemia.

If your companion has convinced you to feed him a predominantly seed diet over the years and most especially if he's getting sunflower seeds out of you, the chances are even greater that this is the problem.

Your vet (if not an avian vet) may not be aware that blood calcium levels are deceptive. They will often fall within the normal range (8.0 - 13.0 mg/dl), so an ionized calcium level needs to be done.

Treatment will vary, but usually include calcium supplementation of some form and full spectrum lighting exposure (Vitamin D is necessary to properly use the calcium intake in both our birds and in us).

You can offer your grey a regular spoon of cottage cheese, yogurt or even a Tums (I'd limit it to 1/2 tab every other day) and try to use nothing but all natural products/foods.

Calcium supplementation is helpful, but only if this is the problem to begin with. That's why a hands on vet exam is necessary in each and every case.

Other causations might be liver/kidney problems or tumors - and caught early they are far more successfully treated, as is the hypocalcemia.

More information about symptoms and causes here:

http://www.avianweb.com/seizures.html

If no cause is found after a thorough evaluation, the bird is said to have idiopathic epilepsy.

Linda Pesek, DVM/Avian Board Certified is quoted: "A bird that seizures should have a thorough physical examination, radiographs, hematology and blood chemistry. A complete blood count will reveal whether anemia, inflammation or infection is present. Blood chemistries provide an indication of liver and kidney function and the electrolyte status of the patient. A radiograph may demonstrate the presence of metallic densities in the gastrointestinal tract. Although one cannot rule out the presence of lead or zinc toxicity if no metallic densities are present, finding them leads support to the possibility of heavy metal poisoning as the cause of the seizures. Definitive diagnosis is based upon the presence of toxic levels of lead and zinc in the blood."

Armed with this info to share with your vet, let's hope you can resolve this problem before it advances (depending on what it is, treatments are varied). Please keep me informed ok?

 

 

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Expert: S. August Abbott, CAS
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Answered: 6/10/2008

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Cert. Avian Specialist; Int. Assoc.Animal Behavior Consult; Pet Ind. Joint Advisory Council; author

643 days and 1 hours ago.

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well the sunflower seeds really hit home - I supplement his food with fruit,greens, and millet as well. He's really lethargic this morning. Any good ideas on finding a local avian vet?

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 642 days and 22 hours ago.

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He's a little con man isn't he?

 

Find an avian vet near you http://aav.org/vet-lookup and

 

http://veccs.org/hospital_directory.php

 

These days, with birds growing fast in popularity as in home companions, many DVM's are quite experienced and able to see and treat many birds. If you have a pet store that sells birds or know of any bird breeders - ask them who they use for their bird care.

622 days and 22 hours ago.

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Reply to TheCaretaker's Post: well - I notice that he continues to have seizures. I took him in to the vet and they weren't sure what his problem is. They said it could be nutritional, could be neurological, could be an inner ear infection, could be age..... He rolls around on the bottom of his cage, he was eating pretty good up until today. When he has his seizures he actually becomes cold to the touch. He will try to eat normal bird food today but I hand feed him with a watery powder I make from the vet. He was pretty active until today. Very verbal till today. His seizures he throws his back and spreads his wings and shakes and flaps uncontrollably. Very lethargic lays on the bottom of the cage and sleeps or hangs by his beak from a bar on the side of the cage. I don't want to euthanize him isf there is a chance he couls recover but I don't want him to suffer.

622 days and 22 hours ago.

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He has been taking calcium supplement 2 times a day, baytril, 2 times a day, and multivitamin 1 time a day

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 622 days and 21 hours ago.

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I'm surprised the calcium didn't make a difference. I'm very glad that you brought him to the vet

If there was an infection the Baytril should handle that (if it's bacterial)

How long has he been on the current course of meds and supplements? You've seen worsening instead of any improvement at all?

 

622 days and 21 hours ago.

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Reply to TheCaretaker's Post: Meds and supplements about 2 weeks now - initially he seemed to be better - especially at night- he would "liven up" physically and verbally and interaction. He would use the bars of the cage to steady himself and get around the cage - even hanging upside down from his swing and the roof of his cage. I have also noticed as did the vet staff that he seemed to have good days and bad days. He was doing pretty good Friday and Saturday night but seemed to lose a lot of energy on Sunday and today worse. Would traveling in a vehicle have any effect? He seems to do better on the weekends when I don't have to take him to work with me. Also - when I feed him by hand with a dropper I mix in with his food the Baytril, calcium, and vitamins to lessen the stress on him - normally after feeding and medication he's out of it for a few hours.why would he be cold to the touch during the seizures. what is better for him- water or gatorade? i read it over the weekend?ragub39629.7509489236

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 622 days and 20 hours ago.

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Decreased circulation during & for a while after the seizures is why he's cold. It doesn't take much to contribute to a bird's temp changing like this. They don't generate heat like we (or other mammals) do. The feathers are both their heater and air conditioner. Fluffing feathers (puffing out) is what they do when too cold and needing more heat; keeping their feathers flat and holding their wings slightly out and down is how they react when they're too hot and need to cool off.

Feet are great indicators of body temp - if too warm, gentle spritzes of cool water may provide immediate relief; if too cold, use a thick, clean sock and fill it ¾ with plain, raw white rice. Knot the end and microwave it for about 1 ½ minutes. Shake it afterwards to distribute the heat and be sure it's not too hot.

You can layer a thick towel on one side of the cage, secure with clothespins out of the reach of the bird's beak - then clip a heating pad over the towel and set on low. Check often to be sure it's not overheating and that the bird isn't gnawing through. A side attachment like this will allow the bird to move closer or away as needed.

If the bird is bottom-bound, install a heating pad under just a portion of the base, again, set on low.

The rice sock option is far safer and more efficient though.

Cover the cage with a thick blanket, leaving all or part of the front door uncovered for better air circulation, to help keep the bird calm by being able to see out and of course so you can check on it regularly just by peeking in. The covering also helps hold some of the heat inside.

I'm very uncomfortable giving the heating pad suggestion because of the potential for the bird to bite through the bars and possibly catch a part of the heating pad. This is just one reason I prefer to avoid electric sources of heat. Another reason is that heating pads can suddenly become faulty and overheat. If ever using an electric source for heating anything in anyway, please be vigilant and constantly double checking carefully.

Choose water over Gatorade. Gatorade is ok for emergencies, children's Pedialyte is better though. For this little guy, just plain water or some all natural fruit juice with some plain water added - about 1/2 and 1/2.

If I didn't share this before, here is some info that should be shared with your vet, just in case they need a reminder:

Blood calcium levels are deceptive. They will often fall within the normal range (8.0 - 13.0 mg/dl), so an ionized calcium level needs to be done.

Treatment will vary, but usually include calcium supplementation of some form and full spectrum lighting exposure (Vitamin D is necessary to properly use the calcium intake in both our birds and in us).

You can offer your grey a regular spoon of cottage cheese, yogurt or even a Tums (I'd limit it to 1/2 tab every other day) and try to use nothing but all natural products/foods.

Calcium supplementation is helpful, but only if this is the problem to begin with.

Other causations might be liver/kidney problems or tumors - and caught early they are far more successfully treated, as is the hypocalcemia.

This link should be even more helpful:

http://www.avianweb.com/seizures.html

I don't want to quit on him yet. As long as he's still got pleasure in his life and isn't in pain or suffering - let's keep fighting. Right?

(no need to press 'accept' again on this - I'm glad you followed up)

 

 

622 days and 15 hours ago.

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what do you do with the sock after you heat up the rice and shake it?

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 622 days and 14 hours ago.

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Put it in the cage with him until he recovers from the seizure. It will supplement the heat in his immediate vicinity. You can lay a newspaper over it or soft towel (I'd avoid the looped terrycloth types so his nails don't get caught in them) and let him lay right on it once you are sure it's not too hot. Shaking it out helps distribute the heat more evenly and gives you a better idea of the temp.

If you can comfortably hold it on the back of your hand or on your upper lip without it feeling too hot, it's good.

 

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