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Is there big difference in Valve Timing on Mercedes 300E 6 Cyl engine to American engines.

Submitted: 621 days and 13 hours ago.
Category: Car
Value: $15
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1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 6 Cylinder

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Cyl. Head was surfaced and timing chain guides replaced.Chain eventually dropped off the sprocket and aligned with crank. Not sure about top dead point at zero mark at harmonic balancer and camshaft sprocket mark.No.1 piston is on top dead center.

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Hi, welcome to Just Answer.

Valve timing has a large difference from every engine and make to make. Typically German mechanical engineering was advanced for it's time and so this intricate valve and camshaft setup is still used from the 300E to the late models. Also, such perfection on the valve timming has also evolved all accross many European, Domenstic and Japanesse imports. On your model the camshafts need to be PERFECTLY timed, using the marks below...and the #1 piston on TDC (Top Dead Center)

Illustration of 3.0L 300E (most common)

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Answered: 3/11/2008

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617 days and 11 hours ago.

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Thank you for your help and I hope you have received my contribution. Sorry, I could not grade advice a success because the valve noise ( rattle ) immediately started and did not disappear. I've stopped the motor after 15 to 20 seconds of running.
The cylinder head was tightened to the bolt torque recommended in proper sequence and torque increase. ( 90 NM maximum ) or 68 lbs/foot.
Since the lifters are hydraulic there is no adjustment possible.The oil pressure was immediately up to maximum. Engine run very smooth and temperature did not increase ( running time was much to short ).The valve lifter towers where torqued to 25 foot/lbs pressure.
The crankshaft timing mark was at TDC exactly, number one piston on top and camshaft timing mark at top, both intake and exhaust valves where closed. No valve lash could be measured at cam follower.
Please tell me what mistake I made and how to correct that. By the way, I used incremental tightening sequence instead of 30 foot/lbs initial tightening plus 90 degree two times as recommended by some people.
Thank you
        Nick

Posted by RIP 617 days and 10 hours ago.

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Thanks for the NEGATIVE feedback...your question was "Is there big difference in Valve Timing on Mercedes 300E 6 Cyl engine to American engines." And that is the answer I provided, no where in there did you say "you must fix my car." Negative feedback affects my ratings greatly, and it's not fair I receive it for the mood your in becuase you can't fix your car or ask the appropiate question to get the help your looking for. I went above an beyond your question to provide a suitable answer, and if you needed more help all you need to do is ask, just like the BIG red words at the bottom of the post.

 

617 days and 9 hours ago.

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Sorry you misunderstood my second question. That was not a critique nor any intention to cause ill feeling to you or anyone else for that matter.I do respect anyones knowledge and advice As far as I understand all 4 cycle engines are basically working same way and require same attention.I am NOT challenging your knowledge nor I will attempt to do that ever. For all of said, I deeply apologize to you and all.
I am not asking anybody to fix my car.I am asking   
only for an explanation or advice how to solve that mentioned problem or what is causing it if possible and of course I am willing to pay your fee as I did first time.If you do not want to give me advice, that is perfectly OK. If you wish to do so I shell appreciate fully.

Posted by RIP 617 days and 9 hours ago.

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Listen, I'd like to help out, that's why I'm stuck to this site all day - trying to help someone who is stuck. But, as with all sites, negative feedback should be reserved for when someone has not only been unable to help, but may have given you a completely wrong answer. I thought you were just asking for the difference between cam timing of different makes...I had no idea you had noisy valves. I wish there was a way the feedback could be reveresed...but anyways...let me know the answers to the questions below and I can tell you why they are making that nosie.

  1. Was the cylinder head just surfaced...or overhauled?
  2. Is this the same head, or a used one?
  3. Where any of the valves bent and were replaced?
  4. Does it sounds like only a couple of valves that are noisy, or the entire valve train?
  5. While disassembling the head, did you mark the position of each follower?

Rip

617 days and 9 hours ago.

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The cylinder head was surfaced and new valve stem guide installed. The head is original one and experienced overheating and slight warping. The machining was routine surfacing and valve grind.There where no valve bent. It sounds like entire train is noisy . Yes I marked each follower position.
The spacers used are installed flat end down on valve stem.

Posted by RIP 617 days and 9 hours ago.

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After you installed the camshaft, and had it torqued down, how long BEFORE the engine was actually started? Hours, days?

 

617 days and 9 hours ago.

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It took about 10 hours approximately.

Posted by RIP 617 days and 8 hours ago.

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And did you use assembly lube or grease on the valve stems and the followers, as well as the cam lobes?

Rip

617 days and 6 hours ago.

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Yes. I've used cam assembly lubricant and on cam lobes and followers and bearings Also, timing chain and new chain guides where lubricated. I turned crankshaft couple times full revolution around by hand. Did not encounter any extraordinary resistance. This way I wanted be sure that all assembly is freely turning.

Posted by RIP 617 days and 6 hours ago.

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Perfect...than you have no problems...and you havn't made any mistakes. The noise you here is normal during the first startup of the engine after reassembly, and it should lessen the more the engine runs. At about 10-15 minutes of running and at normal enigne operating temperature...turn the enigne off, wait about 30 minutes and than let it run again, there shouldn't be an more valve noise.

 

617 days and 6 hours ago.

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Thank you very much. I will try that next day.For the moment I feel sort of tired. If it shows there is need for more questions, I'll be happy to call again.
Respectfully
            Nikola45

Posted by RIP 617 days and 5 hours ago.

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Alright

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