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I have a 1996 Ford Windstar with the following 4 codes: PO136 (O2 sensor circuit malfunction); PO304 and PO305 (Cylinder 4 and Cylinder 5 misfire) and PO174 (system too lean). What does this actually mean? I have the spark plugs and wires, fuel pump and filter changed almost 2 years ago after a "bad gas" issue (there was mud in my gas tank - never could find out how this happened). I am also slowly loosing antifreeze - could this all be related? Thank you.

Submitted: 651 days and 12 hours ago.
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Posted by Eric 651 days and 12 hours ago.

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Hi,

One quick question so that I may help you out better- when you say you are slowly losing coolant, is there an external leak that you see coolant on the ground?

651 days and 12 hours ago.

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Reply to Eric's Post: There is no external leak or evidance - I just note that the overflow resevoir keeps going dry - it takes about 2-3 months for this to occur. I asked a mechanic about this slow leak (he repaired a broken serpentine belt(sp?) for me and he told me that the resevoir level is suppose to go up and down to meet engine needs etc (dah - I know that). I told him that this leak was leaving my resevoir completely empty - which is NOT normal - I refill reservoir with premixed antifreeze - and 2-3 months later the resevoir is empty again. Your input is greatly appreciated. Again, thank you.

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Hi,

Ok- everything is probably related. I am going to give you the possiblities of each trouble code and how its all tied in:

DTC P0136-

  • Damaged wiring harness or connector
  • Exhaust system leaks
  • contaminated or defective O2 sensor

DTC P0174-

  • Fuel system malfunction
  • EGR system malfunction
  • Air intake or Vacuum leak
  • Engine oil level too high
  • Excessive internal engine wear

DTCs P304 and P305-

  • ignition system(plugs, wires)
  • fuel pressure
  • fuel injectors
  • engine vacuum system
  • evaporative system
  • canister purge valve
  • internal engine wear

The most likely reason for the problems are internal engine wear, in a manner of speaking. Look at diagram below and you will see that cylinders #4 & 5 are next to each other.

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One form of internal engine wear is low engine compression. This can happen because of several reasons. Two reasons that can cause this and cause the misfire codes and the coolant loss, as well as the lean code is a leak at the head gasket between cylinders #4 & 5, or more likely, a leak between those two cylinders on the intake manifold gasket or intake manifold itself.

And if coolant is getting into the cylinders, the plugs will foul out, and the coolant goes thru exhaust system and contaminates the O2 sensor. Also, because there is loss of engine compression, it will cause the engine to run lean.

To confirm this, a coolant pressure lekdown test needs to be done. This will identify the internal coolant leak. At that point, the internal leak will need to be repaired, and replace the fouled out plugs and contaminated O2 sensor as well.

Windstars have problems with intake manifold and manifold gasket leaks, and I strongly suspect that as the cause of all your vehicle's problems right now. Having this repaired at a shop, including plugs and O2 sensor, you can expect to pay between $675-800 parts and labor.

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651 days and 11 hours ago.

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Do you have an idea of how much this may cost me? I did have the O2 sensors replaced before but it sounds like they may need to be replaced again.
Again, thank you for your input.

651 days and 11 hours ago.

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Hi,

Here are some prices(may vary some depending on what shops charge per hour for labor in your area)

Testing - $60

Intake manifold gasket, including O2 sensor and plugs - $650-800 parts and labor

Intake manifold, including O2 sensor and plugs - $800-1000 parts and labor

Head gasket, including O2 sensor and plugs - $1500 and up parts and labor(would depend on whether heads had to be machined or even replaced- could add another $500 or so to bill)

Of the above the most likely is either intake manifold gasket or intake manifold. As I said, both are very common failures. I also lean towards the these because of slowness of internal coolant leak. Usually a head gasket will be a more severe leak and very noticable white smoke from exhaust as well as the oil looking muddy in color due to lots of coolant in oil.

Good luck, and let me know if you need any more help

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