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3 baby lovebird are being born with no feathers and another 2 were born with crooked legs they have no claw control. Another one was born ok, but his feathers are starting to fall off. Is this a serios sickness? why is it happenig, I traded 2 loverds earlier, and they seem like healty birds, but when they were fully grown they were missing some feathers on the face, could that lead to my little ones deformalities?

Edited by XXXXXXX on 1/31/2008 at 3:19 AM

Submitted: 662 days and 9 hours ago.
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Age: 3; Breed: Peachface lovebirds

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Posted by Patricia 662 days and 3 hours ago.

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Hello Chito. Are you saying the parent birds are 3 years old?

If not, how old are they?

Is this their first time to hatch chicks?

Do I understand there were 6 in one clutch? Was it 6 eggs total or only 6 that hatched?

Did you get them from a pet store, a breeder or where?

Tell me everything in their usual diet including any kind of additives or extras you may have used.

Are they in a cage inside the house or in an outside aviary?

Thanks, Patricia

661 days and 22 hours ago.

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Reply to Patricia's Post: Thank you for your reply, the answer for the first question is that parents are at least 3 years old. The parents of the 3 bold babies have had plenty of babies. The other two are the ones with crooked legs are first timers, and their parents are at least 2 years old. The bird that is loosing his feathers is only one bird, and his parents are al least 3 years old. I got most of my birds in a swatmeet, from a friend of mine. He sells all kinds of birds. I buy my seeds at the magnolia farm in riverside. I usually put carrots, tomatoes, corn, and papaya, so they get their vitamins. I have my birds outside in a aviary. I put some palm tree leafs so they can do their nests. Do I have to get rid of my birds? will this affect our health in any way?

Posted by Patricia 661 days and 17 hours ago.

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Hello again Chito. I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. I had to go the the vet this evening with one of my own birds. First off, I highly doubt there is anything going on with your birds that will affect your or any other human's health. The bird/parrot diseases that are zoonotic makes bird very ill and you would know if you had something going on to that degree. Of course I cannot diagnose for you from long distance but my best educated guess, based on all you told me, is that you have been very lucky to have any any normal hatchings from these birds. The only birds that can ever be counted on to be genetically sound as breeders and can be guaranteed to not be related are birds that come from the most reputable of breeders. Unfortunately that does not include birds from pet stores, swap meets, flea markets and so on. A really reputable breeder with top notch birds will not have to resort to those means to sell a bird. Also, they will not sell them that way because they are more interested in making sure the birds are getting a good home rather than making money being their top priority. I don't mean to sound like I critical your friend but if he has "all kinds" of birds and he is selling them at swap meets, he is not acting as a reputable breeder would act. When birds are not of the highest quality, genetically speaking, and when you cannot be guaranteed they are not related, somewhere in their family tree, they should never be allowed to breed. I am always having to caution folks who by their birds from pet stores to have them as pets only and not to breed them, for the exact reasons you are seeing. Deformed chicks are much too often, the outcome of breeding that type of bird. It's not the birds fault and it's not likely it is any kind of illness or disease. They are simply not suitable as breeder birds. However, the fact that they are outside and being exposed to all the airborne disease and parasites that are carried by wild birds, you certainly cannot rule out the possibility that they have some health problems added to their inferior genetics. My best advice, for the sake of the birds, is to have them checked out by a good Avian vet for any illness or parasite they may have picked up outside. My next advice is to never allow these birds to breed again. You can't separate them, now that they have bonds with each other and of course you can't stop the breeding. But you can discourage the laying of eggs by removing all breeding boxes and taking other steps. You can also gently boil any future eggs that might be layed anyway then return them to the pair and allow them to tend to them until they give up and abandon them. If you just take them a way, she will likely keep laying trying to replace them until she destroys her health, becomes egg bound and dies from that or both. If you really want to be a serious and successful breeder, you need to allow the birds you have to become pet birds. Maybe even find good homes for them with folks who will adopt them, in pairs and who are not interested in breeding. Then search out a truly reputable breeder, buy a pair that are guaranteed genetically sound and unrelated. Do not leave them outside. Bring them inside in a nice cage where they will be protected from all those outside dangers and go from there. I realize this is probably not what you wanted to hear but I think you wanted the most honest and helpful answer I could give you and that's it. These birds are just not breeder birds and there is nothing you nor anyone else can do to change that. If you have any more questions though, just let me know. I'll be glad to help further in any way I can. Patricia

661 days and 13 hours ago.

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Thank you for your great answer. I already started to tell people about my birds, and a couple were interested. What kind of bird do you recomend for me to breed. I bougth a pair of jenday conure, but 3 weeks later one of them died. I am afraid to try again with the conures. But if tha is my only resource I am willing to try.

Posted by Patricia 661 days and 10 hours ago.

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Where did you buy the Conures? Are you going to bring the birds inside the house instead of having them outside?

661 days and 10 hours ago.

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I plan to having them outsidee, because I have a 1 year old. The thing is that i was just diagnose with MS (Multiple Sclerosis) I am disable, and I want to take advantage of something that I really like. Birds are my passion. I love birds, plus it keeps my head out of reallity a little. Do you think conures are my best option? I bouth the bird at the same guy i bougth most of my birds.

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I understand and sympathize with your problem. But, as I said, so long as you are trying to get birds from those sources, you are not going to have birds that are truly suited for breeding. I'm afraid so long as you are trying to work with swap meet birds, birds from questionable breeders and so on, you are going to continue to have problems, disappointments and crippled baby birds. The fact that you got the Conures from the same source and ended up loosing one is further proof of that. And so long as they are outside, unless their aviary is just as secure as the inside of your home, they are going to be at risk of those diseases and parasites from wild birds and maybe even a determined predator, if one tries hard enough to get to them. If you seriously want to try breeding, the type of bird is not as important as where you get them, and where you keep them. If you want to do it right, not keep wasting your money on swap meet type birds and want any chance at success, you are going to have to change things. You need to decide what you want, then get a pair from a very reputable breeder first. Then you need to set them up in a nice cage, inside your house. Breeding bird need constant supervision, the very best possible diet and need for you to be able to be right there as soon as any problem might happen so you can tend to it immediately. If you don't already know how, you need to take training in proper hand feeding technique so you can help if the parents ever stop feeding chicks or if they should start to abuse the chicks. There are no short cuts to be a successful breeder. It is a lot of work, requires a lot of time, (chicks have to be feed every two hours, around the clock, should you have to help) and to insure healthy birds, there really is no profit in it. If you want to do it with only one pair and just for the enjoyment, that's okay but if you think there is going to be any real profit in it, that just won't happen. Let me know if there are any more questions.

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