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1997 Pontiac: van..about 5 months, shifting weird..losing power..bog

 
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1997 Pontiac Transport Montana 3.4L

This story is a long saga but I think it would help to have all the information.

The van has had intermittent problems for about 5 months, shifting weird and losing power, never giving a single code from the begining to the end of the story. Before anything was done it would run exellent for about 3 minutes in the morning, then it would bog like there was no power. I had to floor it to keep up with traffice off of the light. It would hardly accelerate and struggled to keep a constant speed of 35. I replaced the plug wires and ignition module with no effect. I then took it to a shop because I was at a loss. They said the catalytic converter was plugged. So I took it home and did that job. You could see through the honeycomb in the old one but I swapped them out anyway. No change. I took it back to the shop and mentioned the shifting issues and asked if the transmission could be at fault. They kept it another day and said the next day that they believed it was the tranny. Since this is the wife's car I took it immediately to a tranny shop and told the story. They kept it overnight and drove it and said it was definitely toast. I told them to rebuild it and they did. I go to pick it up and it drives the same... So I then started looking at the van again. I noticed that the camshaft position sensor retainer bolt had fallen out and that the plastic flange around it had completely broken off. I had a thought that perhaps it was inching out of the hole and only worked when cold because of no thermalexpansion (seemed plausible at the time). I used a bar of metal to try to tap it slightly back into the hole. It didn't appear to move but I gave starting it a try. It wouldn't start after this. So I thought, yippee I found it. I disassembled it. While disassembling I recalled reading that some systems have a magnet on the camshaft. So I rotated the motor by hand and noticed there was no magnet. I panicked and read on the internet that this was not the case on this motor and that there would just be a gap in the ring on the cam, (relief). So I reassembled everything. Then tried starting it. While doing this it appeared that it wanted to start so I kept trying. I made sounds like it had fired during an exhaust stroke and burped out the exhaust a few times. Then it fired, what must have been, way before TDC and everything slowed and made a horrendous sound from the starter. I think it rotated in reverse causing a huge amount of torque in the starter because the nose broke off of it. So now I've replaced the starter and I've also replaced the crankshaft position sensor under the crank pulley too. Still no start... It seems to behave the same way as it did after I replaced the camshaft sensor. There has been a few pops and a few instant stops and then the starter manages to get going again. I have stopped fiddling with it for now. I have worked on and fixed plenty of cars before but this one has me stumped and approaching broke. Any help would be massively appreciated, Thank you!

 

Country: United States
Make: Pontiac
Model: Trans Sport Montana
Year: 1997
Engine: 3.4L

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Ignition Module Ignition Wires Camshaft Position Sensor Crankshaft Position Sensor Starter

Submitted: 307 days and 9 hours ago.
Category: Pontiac
Value: $36
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Expert:  Michelle-Mod replied 306 days and 11 hours ago.


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Customer replied 306 days and 10 hours ago.

Yep, still waiting. I don't really have other avenues to go down until I give in and have the car towed away and fixed at a shop, which I'd rather not do. How long does it usually take to get an answer?

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Expert:  Neal replied 305 days and 20 hours ago.

Hello I'm Neal and I am here to help resolve your issue. If I cannot help I will opt out and refer your question to another expert.

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Wow, that is a tough one. Everything thing you have done makes sense and sounded like it was reasonable. Have you checked the fuel pressure?

Customer replied 305 days and 9 hours ago.

I have not checked the fuel pressure. I find it very unlikely, however I will check it out. I have to rent a pressure guage from Autozone or the like to do this so I'll come back in a few days or so and let you know the results.

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Expert:  Neal replied 305 days and 8 hours ago.

I think it is worth it to rule it out at this point. Let me know what you find.

Customer replied 305 days and 8 hours ago.

I just walked out to the car to recall where the connection was for the pressure check and decided while I was there to wiggle some wiring connectors. I played with about 7 of them and then tried the ignition. It fired right up... Now to find the offending wire, wires or connector. It still runs a bit rough but now I have a pretty good lead on what to look at, even if it is the entire engine wiring harness...

I'll still look at the fuel pressure too, I'll let you know.

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Expert:  Neal replied 304 days and 23 hours ago.

The low tech wiggle test is a valuable tool, with it running try and see if you can make it react by wiggling the harness.

Customer replied 212 days and 6 hours ago.

Neal,

I forgot to update this as my progress moved along. I replaced the MAF
sensor, knock sensor, both crank sensors, cam sensor, air filter, swapped
out the ignition module with a spare, swapped out the throttle position
sensor, transmission rebuilt (ouch!), swapped in an extra coil I had in
each position. No effect. Compression check was good, fuel pressure was
good. It's been drivable not getting worse so we've been driving it. Then
it started ticking really really loud. I took off the front valve cover
and found that a rocker bolt had backed out. It backed out because it was
helicoiled with the wrong size in a previous life and then driven with an
impact wrench (I assume) back together. I'm sure it was quickly sold to me
after that. The rocker has a huge wear spot in it and the pedestal it sits
on is all dented up, the valve head looks good but the retainer is beat up
but working. I"m blessed that the retainer held it's keepers or I'd be
giving up.

So the way forward is a keyed insert. I have purchased a 12.5mm drill and
a 14.5mm tap. I'll be using a spare rocker pedestal drilled out to 12.5mm
at work so that I can make sure I drill straight. I also have a spare
rocker and pedestal from a 3100 motor I got free years ago on craigslist.
If this isn't it I'll drive it into the ground anyway. I'm stupid for
spending so much money but I always thought I was on to something and
success was around the bend. I could have swapped a newer 3400 from a
junker GM car for $350 ($175 on half price day) and my own labor with a
friend although I don't have a garage so that would have been difficult.

I'll try to remember to update you when done.

Aaron

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Expert:  Neal replied 211 days and 23 hours ago.

Wow! You have been through a lot on this one! I hope the rocker repair goes well and you can get some more good miles out of it to compensate some of the time and money you have put into it.

Neal

Customer replied 205 days and 9 hours ago.

Success! The van runs like a champ after I finally figured out it was the rocker and fixed it.

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Expert:  Neal replied 205 days and 8 hours ago.

Glad to hear it is fixed!!! I hope you can get a lot more miles out of it.

 
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