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Pontiac Aztek My 02 Aztek has been shifting hard only after

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My 02 Aztek has been shifting hard only after it has been running for about 10-15min. I changed the brand of gasoline that I use and just had the transmission fluid changed last week. Someone at work had mentioned the Solenoid could be the problem, however I just spoke with my mechanic who had the car all day to evaluate the problem and he said nothing showed up on the computer. He did drive it at length until the car did it for him. He wants me to just keep an eye on it. Other than the hard shift, the car drives fine. Could it just be the car is aging (117k) or am I just sitting on a ticking time bomb???
Submitted: 3 years ago.
Category: Pontiac
Expert:  Jerry replied 3 years ago.

Hello and welcome to Just answer.com, Super mechanic here. About your vehicle.

That could be the pressrue control solenoid, or some sedimentation in the valve body.

There has been a service bulletin for that type of concern. Here is what it states.

A/T - 4T65E Harsh Shifts/Shudders/Slips/DTC's Set

File In Section: 07 - Transmission/Transaxle

Bulletin No.: 0O-07-30-002B

Date: July, 2002

TECHNICAL

Subject:
Slips, Harsh Upshift or Garage Shifts, Launch Shudders, Flares, Erratic Shifts and Intermittent Concerns, DTC P1811 or P0748 Set (Replace Pressure Control Solenoid Valve Assembly) Models:
1997-1999 Buick Riviera
1997-2002 Buick Park Avenue
1998-2002 Buick LeSabre
1999-2002 Buick Regal
2000-2002 Buick Century
2002 Buick Rendezvous
1997-2001 Chevrolet Lumina
1997-2002 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1999-2002 Chevrolet Venture
2000-2002 Chevrolet Impala
1997-1999 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight
1997-2002 Oldsmobile Silhouette
1998-2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue
2001-2002 Oldsmobile Aurora (3.5L)
1997-2002 Pontiac Bonneville, Grand Prix
1999-2002 Pontiac Transport/Montana
2001-2002 Pontiac Aztek
with Hydra-Matic 4T65-E (RPOs MN3, MN7, M15, M76)

This bulletin is being revised to add additional models and model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 00-07-30-002A (Section 07 - Transmission/Transaxle).

 

 

Condition

Some owners of the above vehicles with a HydraMatic 4T65-E transaxle may comment on harsh upshifts or harsh garage shifts, soft shifts, shudders on hard acceleration, or shifts erratic. These conditions may appear intermittently or set a DTC P1811 or P0748. During diagnosis, a low or high line pressure (actual versus desired) may be observed.

Cause

 

 

The above condition may be due to any one of the following which may affect line pressure output:

^ Sediment inside the pressure control (PC) solenoid valve, causing the PC solenoid valve to mechanically bind.
^ Sediment in the valve body, causing the torque signal regulator valve to stick.
^ Incorrect transaxle oil level.

Correction

Important: Any of the above conditions may be intermittent, therefore, this test should be performed at least three times.

Refer to the Line Pressure Check Procedure in SI, along with the Line Pressure Specification Table shown, to determine if actual versus desired pressures are within the values specified. The Scan Tool is only able to control the PC solenoid valve in PARK and NEUTRAL with the vehicle stopped. This protects the clutches from extremely high or low pressures in DRIVE or REVERSE ranges.

 

Refer to the Line Pressure Specification Table. The pressures in the table assume a temperature of 70°C. The pressure will vary with a change in temperature.

If the actual versus desired pressures are not within the values specified, clean the valve body and replace the PC solenoid valve, if necessary.

Check the PC solenoid valve actual versus desired pressures to verify the new PC solenoid valve is responding correctly.

 

Refer to the Automatic Transaxle Section of the Service Manual for the proper repair procedure.

 

Line Pressure Check Procedure Tools Required

 

J 21867 Universal Pressure Gauge Set
Important: Before performing a line pressure check, verify that the pressure control (PC) solenoid valve is receiving the correct electrical signal from the PCM.
1. Install a Scan Tool.
Caution: Keep the brakes applied at all times in order to prevent unexpected vehicle motion. Personal injury may result it the vehicle moves unexpectedly.
2. Start the engine and set the parking brake.
3. Check for a stored Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC).
4. Repair the vehicle, if necessary.
5. Check the fluid level. Refer to the Transmission Fluid Checking Procedure.
6. Check the manual linkage for proper adjustment.


7. Turn the engine OFF. Remove the oil pressure test hole plug and install the J 21867.
8. Put the gear selector in PARK range and set the parking brake.
9. Start the engine and allow the engine to warm up at idle.

Notice: Total test running time should not be longer than two minutes, or else transmission damage could occur.
10. Access the PC solenoid valve control test on the Scan Tool.


11. Increase the PC solenoid as shown actual current from 0.0 to 1.0 amps in 0.1 amp increments. Allow the pressure to stabilize for five seconds after each pressure change. Read the corresponding line pressure on the J 21867.

12. Refer to the Line Pressure specification table. Compare the data to the table.
13. If pressure readings differ greatly from the table, refer to Incorrect Line Pressure.
14. Remove the J 21867.
15. Apply sealant, P/N 12345382 (in Canada, P/N 10953489), to the oil pressure test hole plug.
Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Cautions and Notices.

16. Install the oil pressure test hole plug.

Tighten

Tighten the oil pressure test hole plug to 12 N.m (106 lb in).

 

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Customer: replied 3 years ago.

Is this a costly repair?

 

What do you suggest I do next? Should I take it to another mechanic or wait for the dummy light to come on again?

 

 

Expert:  Jerry replied 3 years ago.
You may want to take it to a transmission shop, or the dealership for that. The labor is around 4 hours for the solenoid, but not sure what they would charge to clean the valve body and all. Normally internal trans work is anywhere from $500 to $1500, (like for a rebuild)

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