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For this situation, I wanted to ask if you could provide online links to parts we would use to make the connection from the main line to the 1 1/2 pex, the cut off using curb key and the manifold. I do want to put a cut off as well just after the Tee. The sizing can be another question.  We can just assume 1 1/2 pex.


 


Each manifold should be able output 2 or 3 3/4 lines from 1 1/2 pex.  The manifold should have cut offs.

Submitted: 1 year ago.
Category: Plumbing
Expert:  Rick replied 1 year ago.
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I'm assuming the plumber will cut in a copper TEE then install a copper ball valve off the branch. After the ball valve the transition would be with a standard copper X PEX adapter which is soldered onto the copper. Then you typical PEX connection on the other end.

http://www.pexsupply.com/HydroPEX-H021000-1-PEX-x-1-Copper-Pipe-Brass-Adapter-3755000-p

Same as this only 1 1/2"
Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Thanks for your reply. I am in no rush with this question. If several slab leaks occur at one time or a slab leak is too difficult to repair, we may have to start the project (bring the water from the meter into each apartment i.e.stop using the existing main line) right away.

 

Although a plumber will be doing it, I want to know enough to do it myself to make sure we're not being cheated and it's done right. I wanted to please ask for web links for each of the items we discussed.

 

I prefer a link for the actual item you might use. If the size is slighly off, that's fine- at least it gives me an idea. For this question, could you please provide a web link for the following items:

 

  • Could you provide an example Tee for the 1 1/2" line?

 

  • You mentioned using a ball valve. Is this any better than one that requires a curb key? Which ever is better, could you please provide a link for one that you'd recommend for 1 1/2"

 

  • Could you please provide a copper pex adapter for 1 1/2"? I think you provided one for 1"? I couldn't fine for 1 1/2".

  • What do you suggest be used for the transitions? One transition is between tee and ball valve; the other- between ball valve and pex adapter? If something is needed, please provide a link.

 

  • Web link for manifold that accepts 3/4" and has 2 3/4" pex with shut offs?

 

  • Web link manifold that accepts 3/4" input and has 3 3/4 pex with shut offs?

 

In case the plumber makes a mistake with cutting the main line. I was thinking to buy 1 1/2 pex line and 2 sharkbite couplings. So I can repair the connection temporarily. Do you agree this is a good back-up plan?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

I think there was a slight misunderstanding with something I asked . If I'm repairing a slab leak, ideally I would like to leave the water on at the meter. Our tenants get very upset when the water is off.

Can I use several utility pumps that pump from the bottom while repairing a slab leak (so I don't have to turn off the water)? We have only one shut off at the meter.

Expert:  Rick replied 1 year ago.
The TEE is a standard 1 1/2 copper TEE.

http://www.pexsupply.com/Cello-WPT-24-1-1-2-CxCxC-Tee-1058000-p

You use a standard ball valve not one that requires a key. A key type is tamper proof and you need one that anyone can turn off in an emergency.

http://www.pexsupply.com/Hydrovalve-HV150S-1-1-2-Full-Port-Sweat-Ball-Valve

I can't find a link for an 1 1/2" adapter. I don't understand your need for one since the 1" one I linked is identical except that the 1 1/2 adapter is bigger. Or you could use this one which inserts into the ball valve socket

http://www.pexsupply.com/Viega-67580-1-1-2-PEX-Press-x-1-1-2-Copper-Fitting-Adapter-5864000-p

There is no transition between the TEE and the ball valve they are both copper. I already gave you the coper to PEX transition fitting

You wouldn't use a manifold in the situation you describe. It would all be done with PEX fittings and tubing including the shut offs. Manifolds are much more expensive. The manifolds you see on the PEX supply site are used for radiant heating systems.

I don't see the point in your back up plan. This is a pretty straight foward job and if the plumber can't handle it he has no business doing the work. Your efforts would be better directed to finding a competent plumber and like I said before I would not use sharkbites on the main before the shut off.

There is no way to provide water to the rest of the building while you repair leaks in the slab unless you have existing isolation valves which unfortunately you don't.

All the links above are to PEX supply. Your plumber isn't going to buy from them. He'll get his stuff at a local supply house so the brands of the products will probably be different but they'll look essentially the same
Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Thanks for the links. They do help.



Between the Tee you provided the link of and the ball valve, is it a direct connection or do I need to place a piece of copper between? I don't mean a transition plumbing fitting- I meant what's between :)



Also, between the ball valve you provided the link for and the pex adapter is that a direct connection or do I need a piece of copper between?



When I say curb key, I don't mean locked shut off valve. I mean one that requires a "curb key" like the one pictured in the link below:



http://www.lowes.com/SearchCatalogDisplay?storeId=10151&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&N=0&newSearch=true&Ntt=curb+key#!



These shut offs are typically used near a meter. Are they more reliable? If so, could you please provide a link for one? I couldn't find one



Is a manifold stronger than just putting a tee on the main line to a smaller pex pipe and couple shut offs. Do you agree?



Lastly, you mentioned that I have to turn off the water or use isolation valves when doing a slab leak repair. If I use several pumps that feed from the bottom of the pump, why will it not work?

Expert:  Rick replied 1 year ago.

Shut offs that require a curb key are buried in the ground near the curb outside they aren't used inside a building. You have a piece of copper between the TEE and valve. Depending on which adapter you use there either is a piece of copper into the valve or the fitting goes directly into the valve. No I don't agree that there is any meaningful advantage to using a prefab manifold over fittings and tubing. You misunderstood what I was saying about turning off the water to make repairs. If you had isolation valves that could isolate the area you're working on then you could keep water on the the rest of the building. When I talked about a pump I was talking about draining down the water in the piping more quickly not keeping the water on to part of the building. As long as the line you are working on is connected to the main it will fill up as soon as you fill the main. You could cut in a valve to isolate the section you're fixing so you could turn the water back on to the building. This valve could be a shark bite valve or a valve with compression connections so you don't have to solder it in.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Thanks for your reply. It helped cleard up things.

 

We will cut in the main line near the water meter. The cut off will be outside. I would prefer if it were to use a curb key. This is a very important part for this. Could you please provide a cut off that uses a curb key in 1 or 1.5 size? I would appreciate it as I couldn't find it online

 

It would be easier to locate the main line with a pipe locator. What do you suggest that we use to locate the pipe- which make and model?

 

About repairing a slab leak, our concrete is about 8 inches in many places. So it takes a long time even to get to the leak to repair.

 

Imagine, when I turn off the water for slab leak repair, I have forty screaming tennants asking about when the water will be on. They tell them that they will call the city etc. This has happened to me (then after breaking the concrete for many hours the master plumber didn't replace all the pipes- I fired him on the spot). Do you see anyway that I can use pumps to allow us to break the concrete with the water on?

 

 

Expert:  Rick replied 1 year ago.
You wouldn't install a curb cock (that needs a curb key) there should be one installed already outdoors in the water service and your town water department is who would shut it off if you had to make repairs. There are no links to curb cocks that I know of since you would have to by one from a wholesaler and they don't post their invetory online for public access. There typically is (should be) a ball valve before the meter(s) inside the building and one after the meter. These ball valves ALWAYS have a handle on the valve so they can be shut down quickly in an emergency. I can sympathize with you about your whiney tennants but the only thing you can do to get the water back on faster is to cut in a valve in the line before the leak once you find it. The tennants can complain all they want but as long as you give them notice you are well within your rights to shut their water off for as long as it takes. If you have a bad failure and can't give them notice you're also within your rights to make emergency repairs.
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Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Thanks for your explanation of giving notice. I need to remember that I am within my bounds by turning off water even without notice. Perhaps, I should try to give more notice. Thanks.


 


Two last clarifications and we are done. It seems to me that since I will be applying less pressure on the shut off (while turning it off/on), the ball valve is better than the one needing the curb key. It would be less chance of breaking from the tee etc. Do you agree and can the ball valve with handle be put outside?


 


Have you ever used or heard of a good pipe locator for locating pipes under concrete? Which one or brand would you say is good.


 


 

Expert:  Rick replied 1 year ago.

I've been doing this for over 40 years and I've never heard of a curb cock breaking. If you have an accessible valve box you could put a ball valve outside otherwise a curb cock would be buried in the ground with an access chase up the the surface. I have no experience with pipe locators so I can't recommend one. If we need to find a leak we usually hire a leak locating company.

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