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Hi again,Focus is a preparation for binding drugs to the food, so I wouldn't use it as a water treatment. The active ingredient itself does come in a water treatment form but this wouldn't be a preparation for that. Furthermore, we would not treat with the Maracyn's at the same time of the Kanamycin (we'd even want to do a major water change before starting the Kanamycin). In regards XXXXX XXXXX the diet, this is a wee bit complicated without knowing his exact weight and having a gram scale. Therefore, it would be easier to just follow the drug's recommendation on this. Specifically, the Kanaplex instructions state to blend 1 treatment dose measure with about 1 tablespoon of frozen food paste. This should then be mixed in well and the food may be refrozen do that it is a solid material when used to feed. Otherwise, with soaking, we'd usually mix the meds with water, to then spray or mist it over the flake, let it dry again, and then feed it (and in this case he'd need 0.05 grams antibiotic per gram of his body weight --the average half moon being only about 8 grams themselves). So, I'd suggest following Seachem's suggestion but you can try the water based soaking if you do want to.Or water treatment if he is too suspicious of the food.
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I guess my question is really, how much water do I mix the five parts Focus and one part KanaPlex in? Before then putting on his food. A teaspoon? Tablespoon? Or what. And then the guy who sold it said to treat about five pellets per day.
In the meantime, do I really wait and treat every other day? That means I skip today.
Which brings me to this: I have a new question. I have migraines and fibromyalgia and am a single mom. I have to come to south Texas for help with kids. Therefore we travel about two times a month, so both ways makes it four times a month. The reason I'm giving you background is to say that I take my two older cats, my dogs, and TurboBerry with me so that I can care for them.
I have been pretty diligent with changing his water, so I think that maybe his health issue re: immune system isn't just due to water quality issue (although that might very well be why) but may also be in part having to travel with him about twice a month. I don't think it's stressed him out before - I've been doing it for months - but I think adding the live plants did it, perhaps pushing his immune system over the edge?
Anyway I need to leave for the weekend. I would normally take him with me. I am worried though because he might not travel well because he's sick. The worse alternative, though, would be that no one would be here for two days, and I think he will be sad (he watches me a lot when he's awake; I'm not thinking I'm overly important, just that being sick, he might be more affected by being alone suddenly). And I wouldn't be here if he takes a turn for the worse. At the very least I would want to be with him if he passes. I think dying alone is heartbreaking (and hopefully it won't come to that). But I've already had nightmares about him dying and I think coming back to find him already passed would just increase those nightmares. Worse, I won't be here to give him the KanaPlex tomorrow (it says to treat every other day for three times total). Should I treat tonight, even though it will only be a little over 24 hours since yesterday's initial dosage? Or should I take him so that he doesn't feel abandoned?
I can ask someone to come put the KanaPlex in, but he doesn't really like animals and I can never really trust someone who doesn't like animals. That sounds awful but it's true. We will be back Sunday (in about 48 hours). I could skip tomorrow's dosage then dose Sunday, but he's pretty bad off and I don't know if I should skip. I could pre measure the KanaPlex and put it in a little cup and see if someone could dump it in here tomorrow maybe.
I'm just not sure if traveling would be more stressful than being alone/confused/potentially ill with no supervision/no dosage. Just thought I would ask. Sorry that it's so long but I wanted to make sure you have all the information. =) I hope you're doing well today.
Okay thank you. I went out of town this weekend but came back the next night to make sure he is okay. He seems fine. He ate the most last night than he has in weeks. =)
He has a salt-grain looking spot on his left side of his face last night, so I guess that might be a new spot of ich, but I don't know. I am continuing the water changes and salt, of course.
I did the third dose of KanaPlex last night. Do I not give anymore even though his stomach is swollen and bright white, has popeye, etc.? Or do I wait till tomorrow and try Maracyn, etc. again? Should I try epsom?
Thanks for your help, as usual. =) He seems to be hanging in there, still doesn't have the tell-tale pineconing so I'm hopeful.
Okay, thank you. I will continue the KanaPlex.
How long should I continue the 3 tsp/gallon aquarium salt treatment for the ich? I am hoping it isn't ich, too. I am glad the other ones have fallen and stayed off. He can't eat normal pieces much anymore so I am breaking them into a little smaller. Ironically he also won't eat them if they are too small. So I use a lot of prayer and try singing to him while I feed him because I don't know if they are like babies and can stand to have interaction when eating to encourage them if they are feeling puny. =)
Thank you. Yes, I forgot about treating for two weeks after it's gone. Do I restart each time I see a white spot?
Re: the cottony looking stuff - it is now growing on his fins, and he has started losing little bits of them again starting today. I am worried because the cotton stuff is free floating but these I saw tonight are actually attached to the edges of his fins, it seems. Also the fins in addition to being frayed worse all of a sudden are also pink on the end kind of like bleeding. Do you know why this would be? It hasn't happened before. Is it a side effect of the KanaPlex?
Also, can I restart him on LifeGuard?
On a separate note, this is the second day for him to have a great appetite still and is actually swallowing some of the food versus balancing the pieces on his nose like a really sad seal. =)
(I just want to apologize again for forgetting things you've said sometimes. We have exchanged a lot of information, and it tends to run together because of my memory problems, but I want to make sure you know that it isn't intentional or moral carelessness on my part.)
There was a half inch long string of his fin in there today that had blood on it. So, I'm not sure that waiting for the KanaPlex to work is going to work. How long are you thinking I should wait for it to work? It's been seven days, I think. It seems to be progressing really fast (the columnaris). If I add the Maracyn to the KanaPlex, do I add it at the same time, use it the opposite days of the KanaPlex, or what?
How long do I continue to use the KanaPlex before adding or switching back to Maracyn? I have been worried about him this whole time but the addition of blood is really bothering me. That can't be good. =(
Okay. I've done a major water change today in anticipation of your answer in case you said to try the Maracyns again.
Can you tell me how much water to change out each day now that I will be alternating between medications? Do I treat a container of water with Maracyn, and then another separate one with KanaPlex; then when I change out the water in small amounts each day, add clean water from that day's treated water? (So basically, I will have a mixture of pre-mixed Maracyn and pre-mixed KanaPlex? And then each morning, start with the next medication-mixed water?)
What percentage of water should I be going through each day? I refill from a four cup glass container that is easy to measure medicines into and I then pour two cups in at a time. He can't breathe with much more. (By the way, I read tonight that a city water that is high in pH and hard can contribute to betta problems, so I'm going to see how to find out if this water is like that, and get bottled water tomorrow to start using.)
I know this is complicated, and I just want to thank you again for your time.
Thanks. My friend got "Crystal Geyser Natural Apline Spring Water" last night when I asked for plain bottled water. I know bettas can't use distilled water, but I'm not sure about this kind of water. Is it okay to use?
I've stopped using the Maracyn 2 for a few days, as it had no effect on him, and it was making him sick. He wouldn't eat or swim, and my son said he would rather the fish be happy and eat and swim and pass away than be on medications that weren't working and making him sicker. I said okay. Maracyn doesn't have obvious side effect of misery, plus it's indicated for columnaris, so I'm continuing him on that plus the LifeGuard. The bleeding stopped later in the day after starting the LifeGuard again. He has lost a few strings of fin but nothing like that one day. Plus they are not bleeding, which doesn't mean that's GOOD but at least there's not open wounds. Also, I am doing the Kanaplex still.
Also, I talked to the fish guy at Texas Tropical last night re: the stuff floating everywhere in the tank and being impossible to control, and he said I can put in a very small filter that has floss only, no ... carbon?... whatever it is that absorbs medicine. But he said I could put in a plain filter just to pull out the crap that's floating in the tank everywhere. No matter how often I change his water, the stuff reproduces at an alarming rate. The stuff that is stringy is what I think got attached to him because usually it just falls off of him but whatever got to his fins stuck and is eating away at them. That's what seems to have happened, anyway. So I'm going to see about getting a little non-treated filter just to get the mechanical part done and see if that helps any.
Hi,As long as the water doesn't have any additives or altered mineral contents, it should be fine. A small filter without carbon would be ideal, but I'd be concerned using one because you had noted before that he'd been sucked into your last one. If you can get a smaller filter system then what you had (which I'd imagine was small since he does only have a wee tank), then it would be something to consider. But again it is the carbon that you don't want in the filter just now while you are medicating since that is what will absorb the medication out of the water. But if it is possible to get a smaller filter then what you had and it has a cover or low flow rate to avoid sucking him in, then that'd be just fine for getting the tank bacteria under control.In regards XXXXX XXXXX therapy, I am glad that bleeding had settled since that was quite a negative sign for him and a real step back in our treating him. In regards XXXXX XXXXX Maracyn 2, with his lack of treatment response to it, it is fine to try him without it if it is making him less keen to swim and eat for you. Now I must say that I am concerned that we have tried two courses of appropriate therapy for his signs and do not seem to be making much head way. As I know you are aware, we have been dealing with multiple severe advanced health issues for him that did have quite a head start on us. And if we are struggling to make progress over this period of time, we may consider our long term prognosis for wee Turboberry is becoming poor. Therefore, as your son has hinted, we have to consider treating for palliation and to keep him comfortable if we are not going to be able to get this in control for him. This means that if the Maracyn2 is negatively affected im, then we need to stop at this stage. Otherwise, I would still consider continuing the Kanamycin and Maracyn and trying a small filter with him. Finally, I must say though it pains me to do so regarding wee Turboberry, that if you do get to a point where you think he is suffering then you may need to consider ending his suffering for him. And if you do find yourself in this position with him, then I do want to make you aware of how to do so. (LINK--using clove oil). Hopefully this will not be necessary but I do want you to know what to do if he deteriorates any further.So, if you can find a smaller filter without carbon, then it is worth a try for him. And if the Maracyn2 is upsetting him, then this can be halted at this stage. Hopefully, we will see him at least tread water with us for a bit longer but if you do think he is suffering then we may need to consider addressing that for him by letting him go.Please take care,Dr. B.
Thanks. =) I agree re suffering. He hasn't built a bubble nest in weeks, so that's how I know he hasn't been happy per se, but he wasn't really miserable till the Maracyn 2. Now that I've stopped that, he should be relatively more comfortable. Today he has been eating and swimming and been resting on his leaves (usually he hides behind his heater during treatment, as you know.)
Speaking of which, guess what I just discovered?? He just swam by with a big string of the stuff flying behind him, like a feather boa, and I was thinking, now where did THAT come from?? So I looked, and saw him jump over his heater suction cup (I didn't even know he could jump over something or that he could fit all the way behind there - I should have started a fish circus). I pulled it up to clean it and stuff went flying EVERYWHERE. It was gross. So I started suctioning it of course, and added four cups of the bottled water. I am so glad I have finally found where it was hiding, because suctioning the water wasn't working very well on its own.
Thanks re advice for filter. Yes you're right that the last filter wasn't big at all but was still enough to start the fin damage, probably. So I will go see what they have, and put some panty hose over the filter to keep his fins out, if they do have one that will fit.
Also thanks re clove oil. I have heard of that. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I appreciate your honesty. Hopefully, whether he makes it or not, at least I know now not to use the Maracyn 2 so at least he will be more comfortable, and I can't keep him from passing, but I prefer to adopt a kinder treatment since, as you said, he is not responding to the treatments much. But he isn't pineconing or getting that distended stomach that some fish with dropsy have, so I know that your help has been a big improvement over what I was doing before I wrote in. =) I hope you are doing well.
You are very welcome.It does sound like is still quite active despite everything that has been accosting him. And as you have noted with the lack of dropsy progression, it just seems that we continue to tred water in this stable position but just can't seem to settle everything completely. Admittedly, it is frustrating as we have used everything we could and should to tackle each of those many issues. But it just seems that there has been so much attacking him at once that we haven't been able to make better progress then we have.So, as I said before, it is a case of keeping him comfortable while trying to treat in the least bothersome (to him) means possible. Hopefully, if a smaller/safer filter is available the bacterial bloom can be managed. And perhaps if that population is lessened, then we can see less external effects on him and let his body once again try and tackle the internal infection. Overall, it is a case of taking it day by day, supporting him, getting him to eat, and seeing if this can be settled. And if we cannot and goodness forbid he gets to a point where he is suffering, then you do have the means to prevent that for him (though hopefully it won't get to the point) too.Take care,Dr. B.