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My goldfish is in trouble. I have 2 common goldfish that are about 13 yrs ols in a 20 gal tank, they are both usually very healthy, i have never added new fish or any live plants or food to tank , they have been in here about 10-11 yrs. one has over the past 2 yrs, had floaty problems, would sit at top of tank, i would give a pea and he would be fine next day, this went on for 2 yrs, didnt happen all the time, this past 2 months or so it has been happening about every day, i feed him peas and he does stop swimming so jerky , but last two nights he has been swimming like this
His tail will go up from behind him and soar him to top of tank with his head down, he will then sit vertically at top and look bent as though he is hanging head in water and tail, but its fin at top is along waterline, he eats well, very well but i havent fed alot lately, I started him on medigold, doesnt seem to be helping, I make gel food, bought many new foods, etc. I fed him only peas today, seems no better. My ammonia is always at 0.25 cant change it no matter what but they have always had this for many years, I have two filters running, one a new whisper about 1 yr old, and the other a very old biowheel, it is as old as tank, water hardly comes out of it but enough to rotate the wheel, i use airstone, I read that it can be swimbladder, gas bladder elecric current , many thing I dont know what to do?? Please offer advice, I clean 2-3 gallons a week, ph is around 8 kh is 200 gh is 0 (have always had to use water from my water softener (whole house) nitrates fluctuate from 20-40 right now at 20 after water change, no nitrites, some algae, one plant (silk ) in tank
My other fish is fine, the one in question always has white feces, not much at a time, his tail the last few days has looked bent, he dives in to stones to look for food, he swims okay in the morning, straight body and tail, but when he goes to get his food if swimming to fast dives and sorta list a bit over top or side, not completely and sometimes after he eats about an hour later or so, he sits at top of tank most of the day until i come by, then jerkily swims to bottom and around tank looking for food
I sent a photo, but you want one when he is at top, I changed the old biowheel filter out last night with a new one, it seems to make more current as the old one was jsut about stopping with its flow, would barely drop into water, Would this make any difference in his condition, also when i feed him progold with probiotics in it, he seems so far to be doing better, still goes to top but dont swim jerky? Do you know anything about probiotics and swim issues, Could the bending at top last night and a few times be from gas pain??
Ill send a photo if he does it again
here are two more pics, he ate a few hours ago and swims okay for now, but here is how he sits at top, havent noticed yet the swimming with tail bent from bottom to top, it is strange, he will put his tail up toward top and bend it a bit and shoots him straight up, but for now so far he isnt doing it, can i keep this open until tonight when he will most likely do it again
here are some more pics, now i have light on, i keep it off as if it is on he wants food some are blurry as he was moving
Did you get my pictures?? Thanks, Cathy
Hello, is anyone going to answer my question?? It is okay if you need time , but please let me know so i dont keep sitting here waiting!Thanks again
I have not got an answer yet, PLEASE contact me!!
here is the url for my pics
Did you get the link to my pics
I sent the link to photos, he only does it after about 6 or so hrs when he eats and sits at top, he swims with it straight
okay i will do more water changes, although i do them alot, wspecially now! I put epsom salt in tank to put some minerals in and make water a bit harder, it shows it is going up slowly, will this be okay, I will slowly try to introduce bottled water in tank, this means i will have to always buy it, or would the salt and water changes be okay, As far as his tail goes ,it is straight when he swims, only bent when he floats to top and when he sits there, is this a constipation issue? I have made some gel food, let me know if this may help, baby food peas, pinch of garlic, probiotic pill, some crushed progold food, If it does help please explain how, Can i keep this open till tomorrow afternoon, i have to get to bed with my grandson being here ane have to go away early, will be home around 1 eastern time, I will find a way to send photos, can i attach them to an email to youThanks so much
Hope he is okay in the morning so i can start working with him, I did get a new larger filter he has two now running really well, will this help?Thanks
I couldnt go to bed without changing some water, they had a bit higher ammonia reading, not 1 but between 0,25 and 0,50 so i changed some out and added a few drops of prime, not knowing if this will be okay, also need to know if i can use epsom salt with prime, willmy changing the new filter biowheel and keeping old filter in new one, cause ammonia to worsen?? Oh i am nervous about mixing things in the water, i keep it too clean i think, i really do , could this be the problem, it is cycling again?I never get any mulm or poo from bottom, nothing at all, the old water i dump looks very clean, i dont know, what to think, please advise
i sent a few more question , i want to continue as it is late here and am not finished can you still keep this open a bit longer, see if you can find my reply to your last post
Okay I will try to send pics now, i will say they are for you, also the epsom salt increased water hardness and all other parameters are good, he still floaty?? Will baby food peas in a gel form work as well as frozen thawed without skin?
I am really trying here, He doesnt seem to be getting any better, a few weeks ago he would only float about every other day or so now it is every day, he swims straight, but still hangs with a crooked look at top of tank, did you get my mails on new filter, and yes i kept old filter media
please dont leave!!
I sent some pics with your name, please let me know when you view them, Will the epsom salt hurt the fish as it did raise gh??
I sent pics, I fed him a piece of the gel food about 1 pm today and he started swimming on side at top eating bubbles, he even spit one out (a bubble) i added airstone on other side, lots of surface action, now he dont know where to go to sit at top, I am so worried, I am nervous, why does he swim on side when he eats and eats bubbles from surface or air??
I need help now, he is on side at top, will swim some normally but cant get to bottom, goes to top and sits, I have read feeding them a pea with a grain of epsom salt, or one told me to use a dropper to put some warm water and oil down mouth, Please help soon!!The water is good, i think it is contipation bad!
I dont think ill do the oil thing, and another site told me that the epsom salt wouldnt be a good thing, does it cause them harm with osmoregulation,?? He loves to eat, so it is not something making him sick to not eat, jsut has floaty problems, please try to locate the pics?Thank You Let me know when you see them
I wanted to let you know I just finished consulting with several aquarists (members of an aquarium club) with many years experience. Their consensus is that the ammonia and lack of GH is the root cause of the problem. Poor water quality can lead to swim bladder disorder and digestive problems. Until the water is optimal, medications and treatments do not work.
Where did you send the pictures?Anna
What else do they suggest i do for water, i am glad to hear it can be helped, what do they suggest i do to get him over this crisis in swimming and defacating??Do peas cause gas, he acts as he has this, like a human would do if in pain, I sent the pics to [email protected]
Put for anna on each one??
Let me know and keep talking to the aquarium people, if you can, people that have had them know of problems like this i suppose, it is nice to have someone here to talk to , thank you for that
I wanted to add that the gh is rising due to the epsom salt i keep putting in over past week, but i take some out too with water changes, i replace it, it is now at 120??I had to get a new whole house catalytic water filter with sulfaban in it about 3 months ago, i had my tap tested and it had ammonia in it, the water company said this filter would remove it , along with sulfur , chloramine chlorine and iron, now when i test my tap which is not supposed to have ammonia in it, shows same color as tank test, i cant tell alot of times if it is 0 or 0.25, I hate this test kit, but have no others!WIll look forward to your reply
I didnt know epsom salt is toxic!! I have been putting a bit in every day for over aweek or so!! I has made water harder, should i take more out again! I dont have any tanks, like i explained the ammonia is either 0 or 0.25 and comes from my tap that has a special filter for removing ammonia before using, I have to also add that he dont lay on his side, He will list over on side a second then come back to normal, but he does this alot, then he starts to poop and settles back into sitting at top of tank, Sure wish you could find the pics, I am now concerned with the epsom salt, I keep taking water from tank so much so this past week that i think i have taken over half the tank water if not more, I was often told that epsom salt is good to leave in tank always?? Wow I have to stop searching around, How is it that some say not to use aquarium salt on fish and some say do?? Can i add it even though it has epsom salt in there still?? If so how much can i add as he is not on side now, jsut sitting at top, he had a long long piece of poo coming out about an hour ago, but it was thin not chunky, Please note that when he eats, about an hr after he gets bad and acts so stressed, then later he settles down some, what do you think
Hello, this is what is so strange about this fish, Last night i thought wow he is in bad shape, the listing to side is temporary as he comes back normal, even when he is bad he dont stay that way, he just sits at top, BUT every morning especially this morning he is swimming as normally as you could ask, all over tank, gracefully, no stress, etc. As soon as i feed him in about an hr, he will start stressing skimming along top and sit all night, he acts like he gets gassy or something, If it were swim bladder wouldnt he stay that way all the time?? Never able to get down?? He scared me last night but looks so good this morning, Now I dont know what to do, I sent the pics to experts at just ask .com NOT the one you mentioned in last post, the one you told me to before that, If you could ask the aquarist people what they think of this, maybe they would have an idea
im sorry, but i didnt mean to say i sent photos to jsut ask, it was experts at just answer com, I seen my sent folder
I will try what you say, i anchored some fake plants in the area he goes to eat bubbles, it seems to be okay so far and it has been many hours since he ate, we will see, Do fish have to eat bubbles to regulate swim bladder, or do you think what i am doing is okay, if he needs the bubbles then i dont know about the plants
Hello Anna,I am wanting to ask you some more if its okay, I started feeding him a week long on peas only, he swims better and doesnt flip over, However he still will sit at top, but will come down easily to bottom, he still has sorta the same kind of poo, it is long and sometimes thin with bubbles in it or a bit thicker and long, usually mucous with it or bubble, I am about to stop the pea food and dont know what to feed to keep him from floating, he stopped doing that, he sits at top but no floating or swimming funny, no flipping over, i changed water several time since i talked to you and the epsom salt should be out of water by now, let me know , thanks
I'm glad to hear your fish can swim better. But as you suspect, peas are not a good permanent diet. You can continue to feed some along with other healthy foods. Using spirulina-based goldfish foods can help in some cases. Buy the highest quality foods you can find. Another step to take is to take out a little tank water and soak the pellets or flakes for 15 minutes before feeding them. This cuts down on the amount of air swallowed and makes the food easier to digest. Both will decrease the chances of swim bladder problems. I hope these steps will help.
Thank you again, i wondered about the long poos, as he is eating the peas and spirulina, does this mean anything, it is clear stringy with some green from peas at the ends of it?? Looks like bubbles at times