Hello,I am so sorry your little one is having trouble.I would love to help I just have a few questions so I can better assist you.
How is he doing now does he seem to be improving?
Any previous medical history?
Any history of seizure?
Any tilting of the head or rapid eye movement?
Any chance he got into anything toxic
Thank you for the information. I can imagine how scary this is especially when you rely on him so much for your daily needs.
It does should like he had a seizure. In an older dog this can be due to liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes, Problems with the thyroid , metabolic disorders like Addison's and Cushing disease and brain tumors.
Many times no actual cause is found and no treatment is started unless they have more then 2 seizures in a 2 month period.
I completely understand the financial concerns. I would however want to at least get a blood panel done in a dog this age to be sure this is not due to one of the problems I mentioned above especially the liver kidneys and thyroid.
You also do not want to force food on them when they are having a seizure this will not help and may actually cause them to choke . Most dogs do not want to eat after or during a seizure we see an increased appetite more in dogs that are on meds especially ones that receive valium to help stop a seizure.
Drinking is normal as a seizure elevates the body temp.
If he seems to be recovering he does not have to be rushed in but I would get blood work in the next few days.
Here is some great information on seizures, the types of seizures that you may see and the possible causes.
I hope all goes well, please reply back if you have additional questions or concerns
You are very welcome. If the seizure has stopped then there is nothing they can do for him at this time so I think you are completely safe waiting to have him seen.
I am glad I was here to help you both.
Of course I do not mind .
The Post-Ictal Phase differers in each dog but some can take up to 24 hours to fully recover. Some vets believe that giving a small amount of honey or syrup(karo or pancake) helps restore the blood glucose levels and helps during this stage.
Here is more on the 4 stages of a seizure
You are very welcome. If he does not take the honey do not worry about it he will be fine without it though he will probably lick it willingly for you. I understand why you gave the food we just worry about choking but you can always rub some sugar on the gums that way there is no swallowing needed.
I will be on until around 2 am I do take a break from 4-5 but I will be here is you need me, and you are not bugging me at all this is why I am here
Yes diarrhea is normal many dogs loose bowel and bladder control during or right after a seizure so what you are seeing is normal. Do not push the walks he is still pretty out of and may do more sleeping then normal during the recovery period.
As long as he does not have another seizure today then I am not worried now should it happen again today he should be seen but he sounds like he is having the normal recovery phase.
You are very welcome and please you are not wasting my time at all sometimes its nice to have someone to just listen.
From what you have told me I do think that Duke is behaving as expected after a seizure and believe me he knows you are there for him.
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Please do not feel you are bothering me and please continue to let me know how he is doing and if you have any questions at all.
I am sorry you are having so many health problems but I am glad you have your parents and your amazing four legged family
Ok no this is not normal and with a temp this high he really needs to be seen normal temp is 101-102.5. This could indicate infection and if the temp was this high earlier then it may have actually caused the seizure.If this were due to the seizure it should have come back down by now.
Even though he is acting better he needs to be seen and have this brought down safely. If you try to drop the temp to quickly you can actually cause very serious complications.
I would get him in and have him seen and some blood work done. I know you wanted to avoid this but at this point it would be best for him.
It is not uncommon to see temps at 103-103.5 even small amounts of stress or excitement like going to the vet can cause a mild elevation. We do not worry until you hit 104 but 105.2 is not normal in any dog.
Please let me know what the vet says I am more worried now.
Were there any abnormalities in the blood work.
Is there any way he can be taken to an ER over night so someone is there if he gets into trouble.
He has not had any symptoms at all before this morning?
Did his stomach ever look bloated at all?
As long as someone checks on him the problem is if the consider him critical he needs to go to an ER it only takes a few minutes for something to go wrong or for another seizure to happen and if it happens at say 8 or 9 or even after 11 care may come to late.
Has he had any tick exposure ?
If this was pancreatitis there would have been elevations in the blood work that indicated that.
Did they say what the white cell count was?
Was it the back end of the stomach area that they said felt tight?
Did they do any x rays to look in the abdomen and chest?
This is not something you did this is a tough and I understand the vets confusion if the blood work is normal?
Good I am glad he has considered the fact that he may need over night care.
With an ultrasound its likely he wants to get a look at the spleen as well as look for any internal abscess . This breed is prone not only to tumors on the spleen but on the heart as well. If blood work is normal it really is important that they get a look inside the abdomen.
Is there any way he got into bad food anywhere?
Yes more costly then x rays but much better as far as letting the vet see things much clearer.
I would do it only because the blood work was normal.
This really has me stumped as well.
No the will leave the IV in place but they will unhook the fluids and place a wrap over the IV until you get him to the ER.
I know in your situation financing this can be a concern. Here is a program that helps with medical care for service dogs but the vet has to apply for it you may want to check it out
International Association of Assistance Dog Partners has established an emergency veterinary fund to provide financial aid to US IAADP Partner Members whose assistance dogs require high cost veterinary intervention beyond their ability to pay. This is a grant and ONLY the Veterinarian can initiate the request for a grant. Email firstname.lastname@example.org
I really wonder if all the blood work and cbc is normal if he was seizing for some time before you got up and that is what elevated that temp so much. It is also possible he had several seizures.
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Please keep me posted I am glad to hear he is better
The spleen is possible. If all blood work came back normal with no indicators of what may have caused a seizure then unfortunately you may be looking at a problem in the brain.
Here is some other agencies that another expert sent that may help
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In most cases shock causes white gums so that is confusing to me as well. You had mentioned earlier when we first started talking that his gums were nice and pink so really that was not a concern.
The spleen really does not normally cause a seizure but it is possible. The more I hear the more I do wonder if this high temp was just a result of the seizure especially if he tends to run high normally. Once they got the fever down he would start doing much better.
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I am just glad I was here to help and we were able to get him care as soon as he told us he needed it.
Please continue to keep me posted on how he is doing. If you hear anything tonight I will be on.
He sounds like a strong boy and hopefully the worst has passed. He is very lucky to have such an observant mom
Sorry I was off line when you responded I worked really late last night.
I have been saying prayers for Duck so know that he has help there.
The thyroid test is a separate test from most blood panels but I am sure they will check it with the blood they are sending out.
I think sending it out is the best plan. It's good to do it in house but even better to double check with the lab.
I would ask them if they have done a thyroid test specifically.
Another thing I wanted to mention. I spoke to one of my senior dr's last night and reviewed everything we talked about just to see if he had any ideas. He thinks the ultra sound is needed and suggested the thyroid. He too wondered if Duke may have had a cluster seizure (more then one) and another thing I let slip from my mind yesterday is that the excessive panting may have contributed to the elevated temp.
Please keep me posted and please stop blaming yourself you asked for help as you as you knew something was wrong and as soon as he showed us he was in trouble you got him in.
Please keep me posted on how things are going.
NO the thyroid will not cause fever but will cause seizures which can cause the fever.
That is why I mentioned the fact that this breed is prone to both spleen and heart tumors so I am glad they are looking at that.
What state do you live in?
Is there anyway he got a tick in the last 6 months?
I am sorry I wish I had some answers for you I can only imagine how hard this is for you because the wait is stressing me as well.
Ask if they are doing a blood parasite panel, and a tick panel? Is meningitis a possibility this does cause fever seizures and stumbling and can develop suddenly.
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I hope you get some results from the ultrasound soon but I would ask about the blood parasite, tick panel and Meningitis
OH NO I am so sorry.
Hemangiosarcoma's are the tumor I was worried about on the heart and or spleen so unfortunately I am not that surprised that they found this.
This do not happen suddenly but the symptoms and the bleeding from these tumors does happen suddenly. In most cases we have no idea they are there until something like this happens.
I wish I could say something that would take the pain away , please just know that there is nothing more you could have done. There is nothing you missed so please do not blame yourself in any way.
Here is a site I would like you to look at . You can converse with other pet owners who are also experiencing this loss and even design a special memorial page for Duke.
Please know that I am always here
I am so glad everyone is doing well and I am sure duke was looking down on all of you when you had his ceremony.
I am so glad you were able to open your heart so soon to a new pup you are truly amazing and they are all so lucky to have you.
Rhett sound wonderful and I am sure you will do great with him. He will never take Dukes place but will have his own special place in everyones heart.
Thank you so so much for the update I have thought of you many times since we last spoke.
Please keep me posted from time to time and let me know how things are going.
do not apologize for anything I told you I would be here if you needed me
Sorry for the delay I was off when you wrote in. I am so glad to hear that Rhett is doing well.
Many breeders will vaccinate their pups at 4 weeks and that is to try to lower the risk of parvo which happens often in breeding facilities.
I know Rhett has had 3 sets of vaccines but I would not take him to parks or other areas until he has the 4th set including Rabies.
Normally when the breeder gives the first shot so young we still do the other 3 which means the pup then has 4 sets of vaccines.
I know you are ready to take him out to some new places but I just would not take the risk and would have the 4 th set of vaccines done especially since the neighbors dog had parvo. Make sure everyone is aware that parvo can live in the soil for up to 6 months so I would like to see Rhett have some extra protection.
Please keep me posted