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dog has high BUN levels for months but creatine is normal!

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Submitted: 6 years ago.
Category: Dog
Expert:  Anna replied 6 years ago.
Hello DaNette,

What additional information on kidney disease are you looking for? For example, how to interpret test results, additional holistic treatments, where to find specialists, etc.

Thank you for the information.

Anna
Customer: replied 6 years ago.
why is "Big Boys" BUN levels high and not his creatine? what could be the physical problem and any ideas on how to address it. My vet has checked numerous sources and this appears to be very rare! Dont know what to do to help my little guy!
Expert:  Anna replied 6 years ago.
Thank you for getting back to me. I'm working on your answer and will post it shortly.

Anna
Customer: replied 6 years ago.
ALSO OF NOTE IS THAT I HAVE ANOTHER DOG THAT DEVELOPED KIDNEY & LIVER ISSUES FOR A SHORTER DURATION AND MAY JHAVE BEEN RELATED TO CONTAMINATED CHICKEN TREATS, BUT I HAVE A THIRD DOG THAT HAS NO PROBLEM*COULD THERE BE KIDNEY OR LIVER DAMAGE THAT ELEVATES THE BUN LEVELS. WE HAD AN ULTRASOUND DONE AND NO INTERNAL BLEEDING EVEN THOUGH A FECAL SAMPLE SHOWED SOME BLOOD IN HIS STOOL*THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!
Expert:  Anna replied 6 years ago.
Thank you for waiting. Creatine levels are used to determine to what stage kidney disease has advanced. The BUN level and other test results give additional information. Often, an elevated BUN with normal creatine can indicate very early kidney disease. However, BUN levels can be elevated for other reasons. If the dog wasn’t fasted for at least 12 hours before testing, BUN is likely to be high. A dog that has been on a high-protein diet or is slightly dehydrated can also have slightly elevated BUN results. Stress can also contribute. If the BUN levels are below the mid-thirties, with normal creatine, the chances are good that one of these factors is at work.

When BUN lebvels go above 80, it’s cause for concern even with normal creatine. A diet low in phosphorus and protein is usually recommended at that point, but further testing may be necessary. Problems other than kidney disease may be indicated. Thyroid disease is one possibility. Addison’s is another. A BUN over 80 often means a dog has uremia, and would be showing symptoms such as vomiting. Here's a site that tells you how to interpret the blood test used to track kidney disease:

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html#tests

The same page has a list of additional tests that may help narrow down the possibilities for what is wrong with your dog. The site has an excellent page on both conventional and alternative treatment of kidney disease, including diet:

http://www.dogaware.com/kidney.html

Mary Strauss, who owns the above site is a respected author who writes many articles for The Whole Dog Journal. I think the information on her site will be useful.

It sounds like you are doing well with managing your dog's diet. If you'll let me know what supplements he is on, I can tell you if there are others that may help. If you're interested in consulting a specialist, I can link you to a directory of them.

Finally, there is a Yahoo group for owners of dogs with kidney disease. If you joined it, you could talk to other owners who can tell you what has worked for their dogs, get emotional support from the other owners, and perhaps find others whose dogs have unusual test results similar to yours. I've found such groups to be great resources. This link will take you to the homepage:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KIDNEYS/

If you have further questions, or want any of the additional information I mentioned above, just click on REPLY.

Anna

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Expert:  Anna replied 6 years ago.
I just saw the additional information that you posted. It's possible that contaminated treats could be related to these problems. All dogs won't respond to contaminants in exactly the same way. If the elevated BUN indicates early kidney disease, it's possible that some toxin damaged the kidneys just enough to cause this symptom. Both the kidneys and liver are very susceptible to toxin damage. I assume you've discussed this with your vet. If you haven't, you would want to bring it up at the next visit. It sounds like your vet is doing everything possible to figure out exactly what is wrong.

Anna
Expert:  Anna replied 6 years ago.
Hi DaNette,

Last night I was reading a new dog magazine, and came across a featured product you may be interested in. It's called Azodyl, and it's for dogs and cats with kidney disease. Here's a link to the company's site:

http://www.azodyl.com/pages/pro_azodyl.html

Anna

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