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what is causing my cheeks to twitch when im nervous and try

 
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what is causing my cheeks to twitch when im nervous and try to smile?

 

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Person's Gender: Male
Person's Age: 21

Already Tried:
facial excersises magnesium different skin cleansers anxiety meds botox consulatation

Submitted: 279 days and 5 hours ago.
Category: Neurology
Value: CA$58
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Expert:  neuromd2012 replied 279 days and 4 hours ago.


neuromd2012 :

HI

neuromd2012 :

are you there?

Customer :

yes

Customer :

do you know anything about my problem?

neuromd2012 :

so how long have you had this problem?

neuromd2012 :

yes

Customer :

it started about 6 years ago but only once

neuromd2012 :

is it only when you are nervous?

neuromd2012 :
neuromd2012 :

are you still typing, you wrote only once......

Customer :

no i thought u were it said u were typing

Customer :
neuromd2012 :

the chat is all messed up

neuromd2012 :

anyway, your condition is caused by something called ephaptic transmission

Customer :

what is that?

neuromd2012 :

when you are nervous, your nerves behave differently, your facial muscles are just loaded with nerves,

neuromd2012 :

so the ratio of nerve end plates (neuromuscular synapses) to nerve cells is very high.

Customer :

how can i treat it?

neuromd2012 :

for example in your biceps, one nerve endplate serves about 2 to 5 thousand muscle cells. the nerve fires and all the muscle cells in that "motor unit" contract

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in your face, especially the small muscles of the face, that nerve ending controls like 50 muscle cells only. so when it fires only 50 cells contract.

Customer :

ok

neuromd2012 :

ephaptic transmission comes when the axons in your nerve cross fire, kind of like a short, the insulation is too thin, and it jumps from one motor unit to another. that give you a twitch.

neuromd2012 :

we call it a fasciculation

neuromd2012 :

but it is the same thing.

neuromd2012 :

unfortunately there are only a few things you can do

neuromd2012 :

as you probably have figured out.

neuromd2012 :

you need to stay calm. anxiety meds will control your facial nerve discharges

neuromd2012 :

you can take potassium and magnesium salt solutions to quiet your neuromuscular junction (synapses)

Customer :

is that all?

neuromd2012 :

you can take medicines like quinine sulfate, or even better, if you like it, you can try to drink tonic water,(real quinine water)

neuromd2012 :

they make specialty quinine waters now

Customer :

ok

neuromd2012 :

and that will settle down your neuromuscular junction

neuromd2012 :

you can do facial exercises, or stretching exercises or your face and that should decrease your ephaptic transmission

neuromd2012 :

you can do botox

neuromd2012 :

did you talk to someone about botox?

neuromd2012 :

the problem is there are too many facial muscles

Customer :

yes, they said it would be a bad idea around my smile muscles

neuromd2012 :

so you end up treating only a few muscles and you still twitch

neuromd2012 :

yes, your face is really just too complicated.

neuromd2012 :

there is a condition called hemifacial spasm

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neuromd2012 :
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that comes from facial nerve injury

neuromd2012 :

but you don't have that I bet

neuromd2012 :

what else?

neuromd2012 :

you will out grow it < I bet

Customer :

is there a surgery to remove nerves or is that just crazy?

neuromd2012 :

crazy

Customer :

ok

neuromd2012 :

what else.

neuromd2012 :
Customer :

well i guess thats about it, u helped me more then anyone else in the past 6 years thank you very much

neuromd2012 :

I don't have anything a lot better. you could try some epilepsy meds but I think that is overkill

Customer :

im not sure what those are but i would try anything

neuromd2012 :

you are welcome do me a favor and try the custom made tonic water I hear that this works but havent really tried it with patients

neuromd2012 :

so hang for one sec ok?

Customer :

i defiently will thank you so much

Customer :

ok

neuromd2012 :

they say that Schwepps tonic water has real quinine in it. you need real quinine. there is a medicine called quinine sulfate

neuromd2012 :

but you are too young and it can give you strange heart rhythyms so forget that

neuromd2012 :

try schwepps and let me know ok?

neuromd2012 :

and try to stay calm

Customer :

ya im researching it now it says its for malaria and leg cramps

Customer :

but ill try it

neuromd2012 :

right leg cramps are kind or a poor man's version of your problem

Customer :

ok

Customer :

so how many cans a day do u suggest?

neuromd2012 :

take care. please rate my answer if you feel I helped you ok The VA did a study and they looked at tonic water for leg cramps in old vets. they said 8 oz every night to prevent nocturnal leg cramps. for you I would say one glass twice a day???

Customer :

ok, i will defiently rate you, thanks so much

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you can print this out by right clicking on the page, after I switch this to the questio and answer

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good luck

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Expert:  neuromd2012 replied 279 days and 4 hours ago.

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Customer replied 232 days and 7 hours ago.


Hi there,


 


I have a few more questions about my problem.


 


You said the problem is with my nerves and that the coating is too thin. Is this the myelin sheath you were talking about? If so I read there are ways to thicken it by taking fatty acids such and omega 3 and fish oils as well as b12 vitamins. Is this true? and have you treated anyone else with this problem?


 


Thanks in advance.

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Expert:  neuromd2012 replied 232 days and 7 hours ago.

Yes, exactly the myelin sheath is either thin or spotty in a few areas so the axons are together and short. I would say that you need your schwann cells that are making myelin to work harder, Facial massage has been shown to decrease this problem, thought to do so my increasing blood flow and nutrients to those schwann cells, Electical stimulation of the nerve at the parotid gland aslo of some benefit, but I would encourage you to get some warmed massage oil and massage your face at night. B vitamins certainly can help, I dont know about omega 3 and fish oils for this condition, I don't think they could hurt. What I have done with my patients is just what I stated in this paragraph.

Customer replied 232 days and 7 hours ago.


Have your patients cured themselves completely by just massaging their faces at night? and would i have to do this for the rest of my life? and what do you mean by electrical stimulation? Thanks.

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Expert:  neuromd2012 replied 232 days and 6 hours ago.

Electrical stimulation is done at the physical therapists office. It is like a TENS device, you put the electrodes on the facial muscles and you turn it up until they twitch slightly, and let it run for some time, it stimulates the nerve to regenerate. If you look at Bell's palsy patients as a group, 95% have complete remission, and 5% have residual deficits, like the twitching you describe or lid lag on the side, if I ask you to blink fast (have someone watch you blink fast in front of them, does your one eyelid lag behind?) You can continue to build myelin for a year or more.

Customer replied 232 days and 6 hours ago.


I will try the eyelid thing. So you have had other patients with this problem and they got cured?

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Expert:  neuromd2012 replied 232 days and 5 hours ago.

I have not had a patient only with facial twitching and no history of bell's palsy. That is unusual.

 
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