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What type of job would fulfill the self actualization of a person with an IQ score of 120?

I took the WAIS III and my scores were
120 verbal comprehension index.
120 vocabulary
130 information
110 for one and 105 for another, can't remember them atm but I remember the scores.

Perceptual organization index was 115. My highest score was matrix reasoning at 125. My lowest score was block design at 110.

I am 29 years old and have been working in physical labor jobs mainly because of the ability to autopilot through the jobs allowing me to be able to think all day at work.

I need to start a career soon and would like some suggestions.
Submitted: 8 months ago.
Category: Mental Health
Expert:  Dr. Mark replied 8 months ago.

Dr. Mark :

Hi! I'll be glad to help you with this issue.

Dr. Mark :

Your scores in general are quite high.

Customer:

Are we chatting live?

Dr. Mark :

Therefore, our first question is whether you are interested in getting more education, or technical training?

Dr. Mark :

Yes, we are chatting live.

Customer:

I have comparatively low educational obtainments

Customer:

Are you ashkenazi jewish?

Dr. Mark :

Do you want to go back and get more training?

Customer:

I am half lol

Dr. Mark :

Yes, I am

Customer:

I would like to but i have a family to support

Customer:

I love learning

Customer:

I have made quite a decent nestegg with trading

Dr. Mark :

When you say you love learning, are you talking about Gemara

Customer:

but I am scared of losing it if i stop working and return to school

Customer:

What is Gemara?

Customer:

I wasn't raised jewish but my mother's side is all german jewish

Dr. Mark :

I meant Jewish learning. I wasn't sure how to interpret when you wrote you love "learning".

Customer:

Oh, okay

Customer:

No i know relatively nothing about any religions

Customer:

My scores are indicative of what type of educational obtainment?>

Customer:

perhaps graduate level ?

Customer:

you tell me

Dr. Mark :

You know, when you said you've made a nice nest egg trading, a lot of religious young Jewish guys who are intellectually smart, do that for money so they can continue their Jewish learning. Are you doing stock trading? Is that what you meant?

Customer:

I am shorting and trading

Customer:

I predicted gold decline last year hahaha

Customer:

Made over 200% return

Customer:

closer to 300

Dr. Mark :

The question is:

Dr. Mark :

do you want to make trading a career?

Customer:

I don't want to do that for a career

Customer:

no, stressful and the more you dabble the higher the risk is

Customer:

I always loved medicine but i fear at this point i am too old to return and pursue it

Customer:

I never went to college btw

Customer:

so that is partially the reason i am seeking professional help

Customer:

this question would be much easier to answer on my own if that little variable wasn't there

Customer:

no university education whatsoever

Dr. Mark :

Interesting statement: "this question would be much easier to answer on my own if that little variable wasn't there"

Dr. Mark :

Let's pretend you DID have a Bachelors Degree. How would you answer the question then?

Customer:

I would hit the job market and then derive an answer

Customer:

I don't understand why education is placed above cognitive tests when cognitive tests have a much higher correlation with employment success than education does

Customer:

Am i crazy for questioning the cultural saturated cult of educational obtainment?

Customer:

culturally

Dr. Mark :

It doesn't have so much weight in technical fields necessarily, nor if you were going to continue in trading, such as working for a fund or bank (stressful).

Dr. Mark :

But for most other professions, it's like high school was 30 years ago.

Dr. Mark :

That's just the way it is.

Customer:

It doesn't carry any weight anywhere

Dr. Mark :

But again, what does it mean you'd hit the job market? Let's say you had a Bachelor's, what would you actually do?

Dr. Mark :

(I'm only pressing because you're clearly very intelligent and witty. So let me know if I'm pressing to hard.)

Customer:

I would prob have a degree in a stem field. I would begin applying for jobs and see how the interviews go?

Customer:

I have no idea I guess

Dr. Mark :

I'm sorry, what's a
"stem field"?

Customer:

science, technology, engineering, mathematics

Customer:

acronym

Dr. Mark :

Oh. Good. Are you talking about being in academia or about being in a business?

Customer:

academia

Customer:

my mother has a PHD

Customer:

she was highly educated

Customer:

two master's

Customer:

in education

Dr. Mark :

Great!

Customer:

I don't ever remember her practicing judaism growing up either. My father would slightly religious during the time he was going through chemotherapy

Dr. Mark :

If your mom is Jewish, then you're Jewish whether you practice or not.

Customer:

I know

Dr. Mark :

But we can talk about that in between the job...

Customer:

i consider myself a jew and also a white person

Dr. Mark :

So, you're interested in academia and your mom is in academia. What's your relationship with her like?

Customer:

What are my scores indicative of in terms of education obtainment? I guess that's what i primarily want to know?

Customer:

If i apply myself academically and really try to do the best I can.

Customer:

I heard the job markets suck though for degree holders

Customer:

unless you want to live abroad

Customer:

She is nuts

Customer:

literally

Customer:

lol

Dr. Mark :

Hold on, don't judge the academic market yet.

Customer:

no just kidding

Customer:

She has issues relating to socialization

Dr. Mark :

I guess my real question is, can she act as a mentor for you in terms of shepherding you through the academic process to becoming a professor yourself?

Customer:

She was very loving towards me growing up and I even had separation issues in my early teens

Dr. Mark :

And on our other topic, why didn't she want to acknowledge Judaism so much?

Customer:

I also had a slight case of OCD when i was 16-19 and it was related to the thoughts about losing my mom to whatever hypothetical situation

Customer:

I have no idea

Customer:

She didn't seem to give much thought towards theological beliefs

Customer:

at all

Customer:

we never went to any church or temple

Customer:

I doubt it, she is remarried and retired

Customer:

she wasn't a professor btw, She worked in educational research for government

Customer:

I don't believe I have any aspirations or ambitions for being a teacher of any sort

Customer:

I am too socially awkward and aloof

Dr. Mark :

Okay. So she'll be a secondary mentor.

Customer:

I need a job that pays 80-100k a year that is relatively stress free and allows me to pursue and engage the creative aspects of my intelligence

Customer:

lol

Customer:

asking for a lot i know

Dr. Mark :

Yes, there are only 2 other people, I believe, seeking a similar position.

Customer:

Should i just invest more and try to retire early like her?

Customer:

It is a completely plausible alternative

Dr. Mark :

Every job is full of stress today. And academia has a social aspect to it.

Customer:

I can prob retire comfortably at 40

Customer:

I feel emotions very very strongly for some reason and I believe it has something to do with the social problems i have

Customer:

although some people i get along with splendidly

Customer:

Isn't dentistry a shorter, more condensed version of med school lol?

Dr. Mark :

You'd be fun to work with in therapy, but that's a different discussion. Let's focus on our two topics at hand. And first things first: the job.

Dr. Mark :

You type fast and furious. I'd better wait till you finish.

Dr. Mark :

Okay, it says now you're not typing so I'll continue:

Dr. Mark :

There are indeed two reasons to find a career: money and occupying one's meaning system in life.

Dr. Mark :

And you're in an enviable position:

Dr. Mark :

you have the luxury of making choices.

Dr. Mark :

Is it possible for you to combine both things you've said so far?

Dr. Mark :

Can you both start on your career search and continue trading at the same time so that you can retire by 40?

Dr. Mark :

Meaning,

Dr. Mark :

whichever career path you choose, it will require starting with a college track.

Dr. Mark :

Most likely.

Customer:

i know

Customer:

gah, i shudder to think about myself sitting in a classroom again

Customer:

but it will be better than high school right?

Customer:

the students are more mature and i won't be getting bullied all day

Dr. Mark :

Not really. Only marginally better for you. It depends if you're looking for sex, partying, or studying.

Customer:

looking for the end goal of getting the degree and career

Customer:

Am i being naive in thinking that the degree will magically open up all sorts of job opportunities upon graduation?

Dr. Mark :

No. You're just skipping some steps, that's all.

Dr. Mark :

But there's an upside here.

Dr. Mark :

I'd like our resolution here to be that you do two tracks at once:

Customer:

okay

Dr. Mark :

that you start on getting a BA or BS and

Dr. Mark :

that you continue trading to make a bundle by 40.

Dr. Mark :

Is that workable?

Customer:

continue working independently in the financial industry via trading and pursue higher post secondary education?

Customer:

it is I guess

Customer:

but it interferes with my independent course of study

Customer:

I spend most of my time reading on the comp after and before work

Customer:

and spending time with my wife

Customer:

but i can restrict that and focus on school instead

Dr. Mark :

Good. Because no matter what, school will require your study focus.

Dr. Mark :

Not necessarily so much time, but focus.

Customer:

Oh my PSI score was 122 and working memory index was 112

Customer:

forgot to add those on test scores

Dr. Mark :

You are a highly focused person, so that comes out on these scores.

Customer:

I know

Dr. Mark :

I just want to make sure, though, you realize what I'm proposing.

Customer:

I think i would be extremely successful in the financial industry

Customer:

just because of my past performance with my own money

Customer:

and the amount of growth i have been able to return to myself

Customer:

but how does one get into these positions of high finance?

Dr. Mark :

You'll need that BA and then a masters degree.

Customer:

typically through education correct?

Dr. Mark :

Typically a BA and then MA in finance.

Customer:

I am kinda old at 29 though

Dr. Mark :

So?

Customer:

I know

Customer:

but there is still the underlying issue of age

Customer:

you cannot just magically pretend it isn't there

Customer:

i feel like a failure because of my lack of formal education

Dr. Mark :

First of all, if it takes you 5-6 years to get that MA in finance,

Customer:

it permeates into an academic setting

Dr. Mark :

you'll be at a great age:

Dr. Mark :

you'll have both a work history of success, assuming you can show how much profit you made over these years in your own trading,

Dr. Mark :

plus you'll have the theoretical piece for the resume, the educational component.

Customer:

they would consider that in a job application?

Customer:

they are not considering strictly professional trading experience?

Dr. Mark :

But again, do you want to work for a financial organization?

Dr. Mark :

High stress.

Customer:

okay

Customer:

well idk

Customer:

i want it

Customer:

but the stress might kill me in twenty years

Customer:

i am already usually stressed

Dr. Mark :

You've made money by trading, correct?

Customer:

yes

Customer:

and shorting

Dr. Mark :

Can you show your statements from the broker you use?

Customer:

yes

Dr. Mark :

You'd black out the ss number, etc.

Dr. Mark :

Okay. Then you've got half of the resume.

Dr. Mark :

Let's start putting the discussion into an organized form:

Customer:

usually though i am not put on the spot to make decisions regarding large amounts of capital. I am essentially working with my money and am afforded the ability to make careful and intelligent decisions with capital

Dr. Mark :

do you trade more than $1,000 at a time?

Customer:

yes

Dr. Mark :

Then don't sweat it.

Customer:

usually 10k to 20k

Customer:

never less than 10 though

Dr. Mark :

Okay. So let's get started. Your numbers are good.

Dr. Mark :

Number one: I want you to go to resume sites and

Dr. Mark :

start becoming familiar with what resumes for financial positions look like.

Dr. Mark :

All will have an educational component and a job history component.

Dr. Mark :

You're half way there: you've got the history.

Dr. Mark :

Next, I want you to go to the company sites of different funds: mutual, hedge, etc. and trading banks, etc. and take notes on the types of positions that are there.

Dr. Mark :

And as you get familiar with what the positions are (analyst, trader, fund manager, etc.) begin to get an idea where you'd like to plug in.

Dr. Mark :

Third, I'd like you to see what's in your area that qualifies as the kind of business you'd want to work for, that trades in quantities that needs your services once you're ready.

Dr. Mark :

And then start networking: Linked In,

Dr. Mark :

sorry: Linkedin

Dr. Mark :

following people's tweets from the firm, etc.

Dr. Mark :

then you'll try to meet people in the industry and in those trading companies and begin to get an idea what's going on.

Dr. Mark :

Fourth, I want you to start interviewing at the registrars (admissions office) of some of the local universities.

Dr. Mark :

You're going to interview THEM.

Customer:

okay

Customer:

sounds fun haha

Customer:

the latter i mean

Dr. Mark :

You're looking for who will give you the most credit hours for life experience. Right. So that maybe you can shave a year from the BA. Okay?

Customer:

that is a possibility?

Customer:

nice!

Dr. Mark :

Yes, it is a possibility. Remember: you're not coming in as an 18 year old. You're a successful businessman. You have your own trading firm. You are looking to get your Masters and you want to know what they can do for you, okay?

Customer:

okay

Customer:

what do you recommend for a major to begin?

Customer:

in a BA program

Customer:

economics?

Customer:

I know all of it already lol

Customer:

so i could likely breeze through it

Customer:

do they allow students with advanced knowledge to work ahead in university?

Dr. Mark :

Yes, economics. Then you'd get your MA in business or finance. You'll fine tune this with your mentors you find in the finance world.

Dr. Mark :

But

Dr. Mark :

our focus is this:

Dr. Mark :

when you interview these universities,

Dr. Mark :

you want to tell them that you are seeking life experience credit for some of the introductory economics, business, and finance courses for the BA because you've already mastered them through the business you run.

Customer:

yup

Dr. Mark :

Remember: you run a trading firm.

Dr. Mark :

You own it and you run it.

Customer:

a small but highly sucessful one

Dr. Mark :

This is the basis of the life experience credit you are seeking.

Dr. Mark :

Small is not in your vocabulary any more, okay?

Customer:

understood

Dr. Mark :

Quit apologizing.

Customer:

okay

Dr. Mark :

So that's the program....

Dr. Mark :

Shall we pick up with our second topic of Judaism or is having a strategy for the job hunt enough for today?

Customer:

sure

Customer:

I only have 30 minutes before work though

Dr. Mark :

Do you want to learn more about Judaism?

Customer:

Is judaism similar to christianity?

Dr. Mark :

It not only sharpens your brain, it is spiritually very meaningful.

Customer:

i know it's monotheistic

Dr. Mark :

I don't believe they are similar at all.

Dr. Mark :

Can I share some links with you to explore?

Customer:

sure

Dr. Mark :

Start with Aish.com

Dr. Mark :

Explore the videos, audio, the articles, etc.

Dr. Mark :

The idea in Judaism is this:

Customer:

bookmarked

Dr. Mark :

Judaism is a religion, but not only.

Dr. Mark :

It's a people, but not only.

Dr. Mark :

It's really a framework for a relationship with G-d, yourself, and the world.

Dr. Mark :

This is perhaps why Jews are known to be successful in business.

Dr. Mark :

And it's a relationship that requires learning.

Dr. Mark :

This is why Jews are known to be intelligent.

Dr. Mark :

So start with the basics. Aish.com has so many wonderful writers and speakers. I know some of them and they're truly amazing people.

Customer:

don't you think the elevated IQ and higher socio-economic status amongst jews is due to an underlying genetic cause thoguh?

Customer:

we coudl talk about genetic diseases as well in this issue

Dr. Mark :

You're really making my point:

Dr. Mark :

how do you get a genetic homogeneity that would be required for this to be heritable,

Customer:

True

Dr. Mark :

when you've got a people that's been spread around the world for 2,000 years?

Customer:

there is a lot of admixture in the jewish genetic base

Dr. Mark :

And every generation, we've been chased and killed?

Customer:

you're right

Dr. Mark :

Right, we have so much admixture, yet our "spiritual" genetics is there and constant.

Dr. Mark :

That's what makes Judaism so amazingly unique in the world.

Dr. Mark :

There was a historian, Arnold Toynbee.

Dr. Mark :

He was the greatest historian of the first half of the 20th Century.

Dr. Mark :

An anti-Semite.

Dr. Mark :

Why?

Dr. Mark :

He came up with the most brilliant theory of history anyone ever has.

Dr. Mark :

It explained the rise and fall of every civilization.

Dr. Mark :

Rome was explained by him, etc.

Dr. Mark :

And it worked to explain all of world history, except....

Dr. Mark :

the Jews.

Dr. Mark :

Read about Mark Twain's statement about the Immortal Jew on Aish.

Customer:

okay

Dr. Mark :

My point to you?

Dr. Mark :

I don't know what your Jewish journey will be like and where it will go,

Dr. Mark :

But you are here in the world because you had forebears who gave up everything to stay Jewish.

Dr. Mark :

So, take up the challenge and find out

Dr. Mark :

okay?

Customer:

okay

Dr. Mark :

Well, I think I'd better be going. You're a special young man. I wish you the very best.

Customer:

thanks

Dr. Mark :

Okay, I wish you the very best!


 


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