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First of all, the possible "T" drugs are:
Thorazine - an older antipsychotic, today rarely used because of the high occurrence of serious side effectsTopamax - a mood stabilizer, also used for migraine headachesTrazodone - atypical antidepressant, most typically used now as a sleep aidTrileptal - a mood stabilizer used to treat bipolar disorder
topomax was the one
he also suffers from migraines unless he smokes pot
I would like to know what sets your son off.
Are his outburst very angry?
he is angry but he doesn't exactly lash out...he just moves very fast like he is barely in control...he has opened a cupboard door into my head without noticing he even did it...also in moving past me has knocked me aside without noticing
he is set off by my asking him to do something
Does he ever hurt or mutilate himself (cutting or even eating disorders)?
he says ok before i finish asking the question, then if what i was asking isn't what he assumed I have been accused of changing what I was going to ask so he'd be wrong
he can't quit eating
is very overweight
Does he have fast streaming thoughts? Rapid speech at times?
he had a learning disorder as a child but it was never identified
Does he fear or react to abandonment or rejection?
he was considered disabled
With no label?
his father shunned him from age 13 to 26, he has not gotten over that
or diagnosis that I was ever told
Does he make eye contact with others very readily?
yes, but he may not maintain it
Does he engage in repetitive motions?
Can he stay on task?
he's forgetful of everything
Is he able to work or drive?
Does he work and if so what does he do?
but I avoid riding with him because if he gets frustrated ... driving isn't his first concern
he is a cafeteria worker
Does he have friends?
And enjoys a social life with them?
if he talks about his work situation and the way he is treated he tears up
he socializes with his friends
He is bullied at work?
he may not be bullied as much as discredited and considered dumb, he won't shave, have his hair cut or be clean so he looks like a street person
considered dumb is the part that seems to make him tear up
he isn't dumb
But disorganized and scattered?
Does he sometimes appear driven or on the go?
he overcomes by inertia
Does he have trouble keeping still? Does he fidget?
and if I try to talk with him about his situation ... which now is that if he doesn't take his pills he needs to find another place to live...he doesn't respond he just looks at me until I'm finished talking
he fidgets, but not as much as when he was younger
Did some of these symptoms begin before age 7?
his head is large for his body
How is his relationship with his father now?
And what did the neurologist say about that?
until his father apologizes and acknowledges that he did Logan wrong there will be no real relationship
he said it was part of a genetic thing...no diagnosis that i was told there either, everyone acts like it's a major secret
So he feels abandoned by his father and abandonment or rejection may set him off? He is also rejected by fellow workers.
the psycologist that talked wth me about Logan said that his large head and his freckles had something in common and then said genetic
but that was about it
he does feel abandoned
which is one reason I have a hard time trying to tell him he needs to leave (for my safety) and find a place on his own if he doesn't take his pills
his work number on his phone is programmed under "hell"...but he resists trying for another job
What do you mean your safety?
when he is frustrated he moves exceedingly fast...he snatches a cabinet door open not seeing me in the way and I get hit in the head...he doesn't even notice
he knocks me aside to get past me and doesn't even notice
if he is in the kitchen cooking and has a knife, i won't go in the kitchen
he is very impulsive when frustrated
and I can't always tell what will frustrate him
Did the neurologist use the term hydrocephalus?
I thought it, but it didn't come up
no one called his disorder anything really
school said learning disorder but not add or adhd was mentioned
He seems to have the symptoms of Adult Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD which used to be called ADD).
his primary phys gave him Bupropion for it...it helps a bit
If there was anything better I'd be willing to help pay for it
Here are the "official symptoms" and you can see for yourself (from diagnostic manual DSM-IV)
The Diagnostic criteria for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder from DSM-IV are:
Criteria A - either (1) or (2):
(1) six (or more) of the following symptoms of inattention have persisted for at least 6 months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with the child's developmental level:
(2) six (or more) of the following symptoms of hyperactivity/impulsivity have persisted for at least 6 months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with the child's developmental level:
Criterion B: Some hyperactive-impulsive or inattentive symptoms that caused impairment were present before age 7 years.
Criterion C: Some impairment from the symptoms is present in at least two or more settings (e.g., at school [or work] and at home).
Criterion D: There must be clear evidence of clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.
Criterion E: The symptoms do not occur exclusively during the course of a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, or other Psychotic Disorder and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., Mood Disorder, Anxiety Disorder, Dissociative Disorder, or a Personality Disorder).
The diagnosis is coded as:
314.01 ( Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Combined Type) if both Criteria A1 and A2 are met for the past 6 months
314.00 (Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Predominantly Inattentive Type): if Criterion A1 is met but not Criterion A2 is not met for during the past 6 months
314.01 ( Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Predominantly Hyperactive-Impulsive Type): if Criterion A2 is met but not Criterion A1 is not met for during the past 6 months
yes to some but not all
His anger issues may also have to do with abandonment by his father and bullying by others. This causes traumatic stress.
You don't need all.
his phys seemed to think that further tests would be needed to verify adhd which my son thinks he has...perceptive I guess
He would most likely benefit from ADHD medication and I urge you to bring him to a psychologist or psychiatrist who deals with ADHD.
and Logan thought the doctor assumed he wanted heavy duty drugs
He has so many characteristics.
what are your credentials if you don't mind...I don't recognize lpcc and ncc
The drug for ADHD is amphetamine but that is the drug of choice for even little kids. It calms them, paradoxically.
LPCC is licensed professional clinical counselor; NCC is national certified counselor and CCMHC is certified clinical mental health counselor (trained in diagnosis).
it doesn't list your ccmhc with your name
Too many letters.
I appreciate your time and help with this issue
I am just about certain that Logan has ADHD, and he might have issues with Borderline Personality Disorder as well.
I will take your advice and encourage Logan to see a psycologist
Which is treatable not by medication but by Dialectical Behavior Therapy.
I have experienced bpd in a spouse...not logan's father...Logan is nothing like that.
I shall keep him in my prayers (along with all of your family) .
Logan doesn't rage
I appreciate that Elliott, I will also pray for you that you will be able to continue your good work.
He has elements of overeating, abandonment, some anger.
Thank you so much and give Logan kudos for self-diagnosing. He IS smart.
people sell him short
I will do. Thank you so much for your help wth this matter. It means a lot.
Thank you for your kind words, and please tell him for me that I know that he is smart and has been pushed around too much. He will start to get better. Encourage him all that you can.
have a really good rest of the day