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HI I just took the MMIP 2 test for a large police agency and

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HI I just took the MMIP 2 test for a large police agency and they told me I failed because I was trying to sound to good! I was like, WHAT! all I did in that test was to be honest and thats the fact. so what does that mean? what am I doing wrong!? I appeal it and they had me take it 3 more times and I just recived a call telling me I already failed one am just waiting the other two. please tell me what am doing wrong. am I not uderstanding the questions or what am I doing wrong?I mean am already a booking officer and been doing it for 3 yrs! basically they told me that what I had in my back ground didnt fit the description I was giving them on the mmpi. When I was younger in my teenager yrs I got in alot of trouble but that was when I was a teenager am not nothing like that anymore! So why do they think am trying to sound to good I dont get it am beening honest! they also told me that it basically means that they can't tell what kind of personality I have! so please help me understand! I been wanting to get in lawenforcement for a long time and I know I can do this job but this test is the only thing thats stoping me from achiving my goals! am a trustworty,loyal, never miss work kind of person so I just don't understand! please help
Submitted: 2 years ago.
Category: Mental Health
Expert:  Dr John B replied 2 years ago.

Hi,

Sorry to hear of the situation. It sounds like you have scored too high on MMPI 2 'F scale'. The F Scale is built in to the MMPI 2 and is used to detect attempts at "faking good" or "faking bad." Essentially, people who score high on this test are trying to appear better or worse than they really are. This scale asks questions designed to determine if test-takers are contradicting themselves in their responses.

However, the F scale (& the MMPI 2 for that matter) is not perfect. The F scale is designed to identify people who are ' faking' but that doesn't mean that it always works the way it was intended. Sometimes people who are in fact trying to 'fake' will not be detected by the scale and sometimes people who aren't will be. The scale is regarded as being a reasonably reliable tool....but not perfect.

So, if you don't believe you were trying to 'sound better than you are' then you should ask for a retest. It is entirely possible that your score on this scale represents a measurement error and therefore they should be willing to offer a second testing session if you challenge the result.

Regardless of answering too good or too bad do you think your answers were consistent with each other?

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

Well like I said I have appeal it and taken it 3 more times and I heard back from 1 and I failed again! It said that my MMPI resaults are not matching my profile. I still havent heard nothing yet from the other 2. I have to pass two for me to get in. Is it because am hispanic and maybe am not understanding the question but I really don't think I am. I think I understand each question but I really dont understand what am doing wrong! here my resaults i took online







































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































ScaleScale DescriptionRaw ScoreK ScoreT Score% Answered
True16128.4
False40471.3
?20.353
VRINVariable Response Inconsistency446
TRINTrue Reponse Inconsistency950
FInfrequency761100
FbBackside F146100
FpInfrequency Psychopathology041100
LLie452100
KCorrection236796.7
SSuperlative Self-Presentation447298.0
HsHypochondriasis21451100
DDepression1947100
HyHysteria224998.3
PdPsychopathic Deviate213068100
MfMasculinity-Femininity - Male24undefined100
MfMasculinity-Femininity - Female2869100
PaParanoia1152100
PtPsychathenia32647100
ScSchizophrenia4275298.7
MaHypomania101541100
SiSocial Introversion1841100
D1Subjective Depression646100
D2Psychomotor Retardation651100
D3Physical Malfunctioning456100
D4Mental Dullness038100
D5Brooding142100
Hy1Denial of Social Anxiety661100
Hy2Need for Affection1167100
Hy3Lassitude-malaise039100
Hy4Somatic Complaints03794.1
Hy5Inhibition of Aggression346100
Pd1Familial Discord250100
Pd2Authority Problems677100
Pd3Social Imperturbability558100
Pd4Social Alienation449100
Pd5Self-alienation243100
Pa1Persecutory Ideas145100
Pa2Poignancy034100
Pa3Naivete865100
Sc1Social Alienation142100
Sc2Emotional Alienation14990.9
Sc3Lack of Ego Mastery, Cognitive043100
Sc4Lack of Ego Mastery, Conative14492.9
Sc5Lack of Ego Mastery, Defective Inhibition040100
Sc6Bizarre Sensory Experiences145100
Ma1Amorality037100
Ma2Psychomotor Acceleration235100
Ma3Imperturbability456100
Ma4Ego Inflation137100
Si1Shyness/Self-Consciousness138100
Si2Social Avoidance037100
Si3Self/Other Alienation138100
ANXAnxiety13795.7
FRSFears135100
OBSObsessivness137100
DEPDepression034100
HEAHealth Concerns446100
BIZBizarre Mentation147100
ANGAnger136100
CYNCynicism135100
ASPAntisocial Practices547100
TPAType A441100
LSELow Self-esteem140100
SODSocial Discomfort135100
FAMFamily Problems547100
WRKWork Interference237100
TRTNegative Treatment Indicators035100
AAnxiety339100
RRepression2162100
EsEgo Strength4061100
MAC-RMacAndrew Alcoholism Scale-Revised266998.0
AASAddiction Acknowledgement25092.3
APSAddiction Potential2452100
MDSMarital Distress350100
HoHostility535100
O-HOvercontrolled Hostility1763100
DoDominance175396.0
ReSocial Responsibility1738100
MtCollege Maladjustment235100
GMMasculine Gender Role3763100
GFFeminine Gender Role3030100
PKPost-traumatic Stress Disorder139100
PSPost-traumatic Stress Disorder239100
D-ODepression, Obvious440100
D-SDepression, Subtle1461100
Hy-OHysteria, Obvious03796.9
Hy-SHysteria, Subtle2264100
Pd-OPsychopathic Deviate, Obvious344100
Pd-SPsychopathic Deviate, Subtle1879100
Pa-OParanoia, Obvious142100
Pa-SParanoia, Subtle1061100
Ma-OHypomania, Obvoius235100
Ma-SHypomania, Subtle844100
demDemoralization036100
somSomatic Complaints24596.3
lpeLow Positive Emotions138100
cynCynicism344100
asbAntisocial Behavior1069100
perIdeas of Persecution043100
dneDysfunctional Negative Emotions240100
abxAberrant Experiences147100
hpmHypomanic Activation334100
AGGRAggressiveness544100
PSYCPsychoticism246100
DISCDisconstraint1666100
NEGENegative Emotionality / Neuroticism33697.0
INTRIntroversion / Low Positive Emotionality844100
FRS1Generalized Fearfulness042100
FRS2Multiple Fears133100
DEP1Lack of Drive040100
DEP2Dysphoria040100
DEP3Self-Depreciation040100
DEP4Suicidal Ideation045100
HEA1Gastrointestinal Symptoms154100
HEA2Neurological Symtoms039100
HEA3General Health Concerns148100
BIZ1Psychotic Symptomatology044100
BIZ2Schizotypal Characteristics041100
ANG1Explosive Behavior039100
ANG2Irritability033100
CYN1Misanthropic Beliefs137100
CYN2Interpersonal Suspiciousness035100
ASP1Antisocial Attitudes033100
ASP2Antisocial Behavior590100
TPA1Impatience140100
TPA2Competitive Drive246100
LSE1Self-Doubt039100
LSE2Submissiveness145100
SOD1Introversion037100
SOD2Shyness140100
FAM1Family Discord242100
FAM2Familial Alienation150100
TRT1Low Motivation041100
TRT2Inability to Disclose038100






























































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LW7Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Antisocial Attitude105TrueIn school I was sometimes sent to the principal for bad behavior.
LW7Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Antisocial Attitude266FalseI have never been in trouble with the law.
LW8Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Family Conflict21TrueAt times I have very much wanted to leave home.
LW10Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Sexual Concern and Deviation62TrueI have often wished I were a girl. (or if you are a girl) I have never been sorry that I am a girl.
LW11Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Somatic Symptoms57TrueI hardly ever feel pain in the back of my neck.

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Expert:  Dr John B replied 2 years ago.

Hi,

I do apologize. For some reason I only received the first few sentences of your question and didn't see your mention of having taken it three times.

I believe there may be other experts here that will be better placed to review your specific scores and so I'd like to offer to opt out of this question and leave it open for one of them to advise you further. Shall I opt out?

Customer: replied 2 years ago.
ScaleScale DescriptionQuestionAnswerQuestion Text
LW7Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Antisocial Attitude35TrueSometimes when I was young I stole things.
LW7Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Antisocial Attitude84TrueI was suspended from school one or more times for bad behavior.
LW7Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Antisocial Attitude105TrueIn school I was sometimes sent to the principal for bad behavior.
LW7Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Antisocial Attitude266FalseI have never been in trouble with the law.
LW8Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Family Conflict21TrueAt times I have very much wanted to leave home.
LW10Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Sexual Concern and Deviation62TrueI have often wished I were a girl. (or if you are a girl) I have never been sorry that I am a girl.
LW11Lachar-Wrobel Critical Items - Somatic Symptoms57TrueI hardly ever feel pain in the back of my neck.

Profile Elevation: 50.9
Answer Summary
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FFFFFFTTTTFFTFFTFFFTFFFTFFTTFFFFTFTTFTTFFT I have taken the mmip 2 for large police dept and they told me I failed so I appeal it and i have to take it 3 times and pass 2. i have taken it already and got the results back on one and the doc told me I failed that I was trying to sound to good! I dont know what am doing wrong and he also told me that the mmpi said that the questons i answered didnt fit my profile. when I was a teenager I was always in trouble but that was back then am not nothing like that anymore so I really dont understand. so can some one please review my results and tell me what they mean?

Expert:  DrFee replied 2 years ago.

Hello! Please remember that my response is for information only, we are not establishing a therapeutic relationship.

It looks like they might be concerned about your S scale. Your T score on the S (stands for Superlative Self Presentation) was a 72, which in a range of 70-74, "may" be indicative of an invalid profile. However, a high S is usually looked at in conjunction with a high TRIN, and your TRIN is within the normal range.

The S scale looks at 5 factors: 1. Belief in human goodness 2. Serenity, 3. Contentment with life, 4. Patience and denial of irritability and anger 5. Denial of moral flaws.

A high S usually indicates defensiveness, underreporting, and an attempt to proclaim an overly positive presentation.

You do have a high K as well (67) which K looks at the tendency to control and limit disclosure of distress, discomfort, and problems relating to others, denying problems,
reluctant to admit symptoms; more sophisticated/subtle defensiveness.

But again, a high TRIN would give much more support to an invalid profile, and you don't have that. Your K is significant, but it's at the low end of significance, where most college graduates score.

Your scale 4 (PD) is significantly elevated (67) --and I'm wondering if that's what they mean by you "not matching your profile" --Do you mean that they said that your validity scores don't match your profile? It could be that because you look defensive in your answers (based on the S and K scales) that they believe that your PD is actually suppressed --that's just a theory ---

I've seen people get rejected from Police Depts. for a high PD before.

The PD scale has to do with issues with authority, family discord, social and societal alienation.

Upon examining your sub-scores of the overall PD scale, you only had one elevation on the 5 subscores which was:

Pd2-Authority problems: (77)

resentment of societal and parental standards and

customs, definite opinions about what's right/wrong, stand up for own beliefs, admit to having been in trouble in school or with law.

All of the other 4 subscales were within the normal range.

I am wondering 2 things:

1. Are you a religious person? Religious people often look more defensive than other people.

2. If yes, I'm wondering if that in combination with your past history of getting in trouble with the law has caused the elevation on PD2 as well as the validity scales.

I don't see how re-taking the test is helpful --especially three times! Unless you were misunderstanding the questions (which you say you weren't) that's not going to help -

I've done some "re-evaluations" for some candidates where I got to do a more complete evaluation and write my opinion about their MMPI2 results. Do you have that option?

I recommend that you ask for it. If another Psychologist can do a more thorough evaluation and see if there are reasonable explanations for your score elevations.

I hope that helps --and I too am sorry that you are experiencing this block to your career goals.

Regards,

Dr. Fee

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