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im trying to understand were it all ties together, constitutions are the voice of the people the organic law of the land. municipal corporations are created by a charter, and in the charter the creation of their law enforcement but as we the people are concerned the the government is created by the people and for the people. the people are primordial to government. when the organic law is established it is the constitution of that state, however; when the municipalities are created by a grant of the state constitution a barrier is created between the organic law of the people, example are we ohioins of the state govern by our constitution or are we the citizens of the municipality govern by the color of law
so if there is a conflict between city ordinance and state statute the state statute reins supreme i.e. it must follow state statute?
when a city is created by way of a charter is it the state that authorizes it
well its in line with what i as asking you about are we ohioins or citizens of the city this is the reason i ask you about the charter. example black law defines charter as such:
instrument by which a municipality is incorporated, specifying its organizational structure and itshighest laws; specif., a written document making the persons residing within a fixed boundary,along with their successors, a corporation and body politic for and within that boundary. so is there another form of citizen being created there also other than a state citizen?
im still a bit confused article 2 section 1f articulates :
§1f The initiative and referendum powers are hereby reserved to the people of each municipality on all questions which such municipalities may now or hereafter be authorized by law to control by legislative action; such powers shall be exercised in the manner now or hereafter provided by law.
and in your opinion which are viewed as dejure law dictionary
that the power to initiate and referendum is with the people on what they control by legislative action but you said
"Actually, upon further research, I find that the Ohio Constitution, Art. XVIII, Sec. 7, provides: Any municipality may frame and adopt or amend a charter for its government and may, subject to the provisions of Section 3 of this article, exercise thereunder all powers of local self-government."
so can the city just change as they please or is it vested in the people? i know you didnt say it you quoted from ohio constitution.
in your opinion which are viewed as dejure law dictionary
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