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I own a small parcel in Alsea. My late husband left it to me with "the remainder" going to his 2 sons in a Life Estate will at my death. It went through probate. I want to sell it & there would be no "remainder". There is a quit claim deed he & I signed after the will & 1 month before his death but I see now it was never notarized. The sons names are XXXXX XXXXX tax assessor's records but never are their names on the bill for the taxes. My husband died 12/11/2000. How can I get a deed that is in my name as the quit claim deed says leaving the property to MY heirs or whoever I want. My late husband never wanted those gang banger kids to have a thing & worded everything to guarantee that but yet, he never told me we needed to have the deed notorized when we signed it. I want those kids off this property. He died of cancer there at the end. I was naive. I need a real deed. I have been told different stories by 2 different attorneys & have yet to find anyone who can help me. Maybe a divorce?

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Everything short of a divorce for "irreconcilable differences" I have gone through all hoops legally and been met with bad luck from unfinished paperwork by a man who was finally losing his mind in the end. I was naive and never knew what to ask. Now I'm stuck and need out. The sons live on the streets of Portland. I have never seen them in 9 years and don't wish to.

 
 
 
 
 
 
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1. You mention your husband passed, but then you ask if you can get a divorce. Can you clarify?

 

 

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I am half-kidding half- serious about divorcing a dead man if it means getting the sons' names off the tax assessor's records and getting ta deed in my name. The quit claim deed I have I thought superceded the will since it was filled out by my late husband and myself a month after the will was written. He thought it would "insure" the property being solely mine. Now I see today the deed was never notarized. I want those sons' names off the records and can not believe that my last 2 attorneys were unable to put things in my name alone. If a divorce from him would help clear their names off the records then I'll do it. I'm not kidding about that.

 
 
 
 
 
 

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This is a bummer. Unfortunately, as I see it, the son's are the owners of that land, with a life estate in you, of course, because the husband did not succeed in quitclaiming it. The attorneys can not change that fact. Short of Fraud, I don't see a legal way to get around his will. And I doubt you offered them enough money in fees for them to be willing to give up their right to practice law and stay out of prison :) You can not sell, you do not own it.

 

However, if it were me, I would offer (maybe let an attorney handle this for you) the punks a payment to disclaim or quit claim or otherwise pass on their share. It is possible that since they know that you may have lots of years left, and they may be dead before you are, they will never see that property as theirs. Perhaps a few thousand would get them off your hands. It can't hurt trying.

 

Oh, and no, you can't divorce a dead man.

 

I don't think the following will be helpful, but just in case: depending on if it were to benefit you (which I'm thinking not,) you could take your elective share).

 

114.105 Right to elective share; effect of election.

 

(1) If a decedent is domiciled in this state at the time of death and dies testate, the surviving spouse of the decedent has a right to elect to take the share provided by this section. The elective share consists of one-fourth of the value of the net estate of the decedent, but the elective share shall be reduced by the value of the following property given to the surviving spouse under the will of the decedent:

(a) Property given outright;

(b) The present value of legal life estates; and

(c) The present value of the right of the surviving spouse to income or an annuity, or a right of withdrawal, from any property transferred in trust by the will that is capable of valuation with reasonable certainty without regard to the powers forfeited under subsection (2) of this section.

(2) Except as to property applied under subsection (1) of this section to reduce the elective share, an election to take under this section forfeits any other right to take under the will and under the law of intestate succession. If the will would otherwise create a power of appointment in the surviving spouse, the spouse by electing to take under this section retains the power only if it is not a general power of appointment as defined in subsection (4) of this section and the testator has not provided otherwise, but the spouse forfeits any general power of appointment. A power to pay more than the income or annuity or withdrawals, the value of which reduced the elective share under subsection (1)(c) of this section, or to apply additional principal or income in behalf of the electing spouse, may not be exercised in favor of the electing spouse.

(3) The right to elect may be barred under ORS 114.115, the share limited by ORS 114.125 or the right denied or the share reduced under ORS 114.135.

(4) A general power of appointment is one that the donee may exercise in favor of the donee, the estate of the donee, the creditors of the donee or the creditors of the estate of the donee, during lifetime or at death, and includes one under which the donee may convey or transfer ownership of the property to whomever the donee may choose. A power to consume, invade or appropriate property for the benefit of the donee that is limited by an ascertainable standard relating to the health, education, support or maintenance of the donee shall not be deemed a general power of appointment. [1969 c.591 §112; 1997 c.99 §22]

 

 

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