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I was curious about the odds of getting a dishonorable discharge

 
 
 

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I was curious about the odds of getting a dishonorable discharge upgraded for cocaine, and I was wondering if the review panel takes into consideration the individual in questions life after the discharge, ie crimnal record as civilian or lack of one?

My discharge was 20yrs ago.

Submitted: 1031 days and 13 hours ago.
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Posted by MShore 1031 days and 12 hours ago.

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cocaine distribution or personal use?

 
 
 
 
 
 
1031 days and 12 hours ago.

Customer Reply

combination of both, total charges added up to 5.02 grams of coke. I got some one an 8 ball (3.5 grams) and was seen doing lines and gave lines to people.

 
 
 
 
 
 

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ok, but I assume there was no charge of distribution (i.e. sale). Assuming you have had no criminal charges brought against you since discharge 20 years ago, I would approximate a 40% chance of the upgrade. While the panel does consider post discharge behavior, it is only to make it less likely that the charge would be upgraded.

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1031 days and 11 hours ago.

Customer Reply

no, when I got an 8ball for the individual they (command) considered that and the lines that I gave out as distribution.

 
 
 
 
 
 
1031 days and 11 hours ago.

Customer Reply

Relist: I still need help.

 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by MShore 1031 days and 11 hours ago.

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<p>I see, so they considered you a drug dealer. It is unlikely you will get the upgrade.</p>

 
 
 
 
 
 
1031 days and 11 hours ago.

Customer Reply

thanks for your time and insight.

 
 
 
 
 
 
1028 days and 15 hours ago.

Customer Reply

I was wondering something else about my case, if memory serves, my navy defense lawyer was the prosecuting attorney for one of the witnesses against me. Is that legal?

 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by psimmons 1028 days and 15 hours ago.

Expert's Answer

Sorry for the confusion...there was some incorrect information passed

You can upgrade your discharge, certainly it is possible...but it is not an easy prospect.


The process is straightforward. You can begin the process here

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/correcting-records.html

To be successful, you will need to demonstrate, under the circumstances, that an upgrade to the charachterization is the appropriate result in your case. Typically this would be done by showing that the result at the time was wrong for some reason...for example if there was some error in the court martial process that was not addressed on the record or in the appeals process.

The board will also consider your post service conduct, but this to a lesser degree than than your service conduct.

Unlike the urban legend, there is no "automatic upgrade" for discharges...in fact only a small percentage of requests are granted.

To have the greatest chance for success you should consider working with an attorney that can help you assemble the package you will submit. A google search under "military lawyer upgrade discharge" will net you several prospects...I would talk to several to see if one can be of help...but understand this is a long shot...beware of promises.


BotXXXXX XXXXXne: Its possible but difficult to do. Best of luck



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1028 days and 15 hours ago.

Customer Reply

You didn't get paid earlier? They took money out of my account.

 

I know it is a long shot, which is why I procrastenated for so long. I actually have already started the ball rolling by asking for my records and court martial transcripts,etc.

 

Thanks again for your thoughts.

 
 
 
 
 
 

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Sorry, the other expert got paid and I do not expect you to pay again. I do want to make sure you understand that while this is a long-shot, it is far from impossible.

You should certainly mention the possible conflict with your defense attorney.

Also, make sure to add information about your post service conduct, as that may help the board decide in your favor.

Best of luck

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1028 days and 15 hours ago.

Customer Reply

I understand now, I didn't realize more than one person was answering my bust.

 

Yeah, I know it's a long shot. I figure the worst they can say is no. It's just frustrating having one mistake from my past when I was young and stupid keep coming up and haunting me, especially when I know if I would have been just a civilian at the time based on the evidence I wouldn't have even gone to court. The reason I know is it was dismissed out right by the civilian judge that my case went before first... this was a joint civilian/naval investigation, long story.

 

Someone at the VA let me see a small glimmer of hope that I maybe able to get my discharge upgraded, since then I have gotten motivated to try.

 

Again thanks for your help and insight.

 
 
 
 
 
 
1028 days and 14 hours ago.

Customer Reply

did that payment go through?

 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by psimmons 1028 days and 14 hours ago.

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It did, and I will request the original be refunded

 
 
 
 
 
 
1021 days and 11 hours ago.

Customer Reply

psimmons, I have been mulling various things around, I haven't recieved my records yet so this whole process hasn't started, but I am curious if you know or have any idea whether or not the 8th amendment has any validity in regards XXXXX XXXXX of rights, voteing, gun ownership, etc in relation to a military discharge? Would it even be something one should argue? Also is there anyone in the Seattle area you would recommend when I do get this going?40028.8633761921

 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by psimmons 1021 days and 9 hours ago.

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Interesting thought

The 8th Amendment prevents Cruel and Unusual punishment. It has been used to invalidate the manner of executions in several states and has been used to help reform prison conditions recently.

As for voting rights/firearm possession...that will be tough. First, you need to understand its not the discharge that prevents gun ownership...its the conviction at the General Court Martial (military version of felony trial).
So, loss of gun rights is not based on military status, but on the status of being convicted of an offense (particularly a felony). It will apply to a person convicted in state or federal court.

I have not seen a challenge to this law on 8th Amendment grounds. The fact that we are still executing people in this country (and that does not violate the 8th Amendment) seems to me that limiting gun ownership would not violate the 8th Amendment.

 
 
 
 
 
 
1021 days and 8 hours ago.

Customer Reply

So if I would have been awarded an OTH at a General I would still be denied the right to vote or own guns? I had not heard that, my understanding was loss of rights was based on the discharge itself... more research needed...

 

I got curious when I was reviewing some civilian cases where the sentence was found to violate the 8th because of length of time in regards XXXXX XXXXX commited.

 

thanks.

 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by psimmons 1021 days and 8 hours ago.

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