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During a period roughly from February 2008 to December 2009, three friends and I worked together to create an online web-series. We all worked together to create all of the material, although we each eventually found certain areas that we focused on. We freely shared story ideas, character concepts, plots, jokes, storylines, and sketches. When it was all said and done, we had created a 100+ page script, (containing many episodes and introduction sketches) with equal writing credit given to each of us on the title page. As well as several other short sketch scripts, several motion pictures based on the scripts, still photos based on characters, and a website to publish and display our work. One thing to note was that after maybe a year or so, some of the full scripts were changed to state only 3 of us as writers, and one of us contributed only revisions.Since the end of 2009, the project fell dead and all of us went out separate ways, mainly because two of the four of us wished to no longer continue working on the project.Nearly one year ago, roughly September 2011, one of the original creators and myself, decided that we would like to adapt the project into a feature film script. We approached the other two who decided they wanted nothing to do with it. So, my writing partner (one of the original four) and myself have been developing and writing a feature film script based on the characters, titles, concepts, and one of the original short episodes. We have taken a 25 page script and now written a 115 page script from that base story. We are getting near completion of the feature film script, and now we need to make sure we have all the necessary rights, and figure out what we need to get the other two originators to sign, if anything.It is important to note as well, we have no formal agreements between ourselves. No signed agreements, nothing. Not as writers, or anything else.Now, as far as I understand, what we created originally would be considered a “joint work.” I don’t know how else we would divide up who did what, especially in the idea and concepts. As so much of what one of us actually wrote, was based off of what the other 3 said to him. We shared all of our ideas with each other without any thought as to who would own them. I for one know that I wouldn’t have shared the ideas if I was going to loose any ownership to them simply because one of the others did the actual work of typing it up. Same goes for the videos though. I did most of that work, and I’m sure they don’t expect to have lost all ownership in that simply because I was the one who physically created the motion pictures.If what we created is indeed a “joint authorship/ownership” or “joint work.” Then as I understand it, my writing partner and I both enjoy the same rights to the storylines, characters, plots, scripts, etc. equally with the other two writers. This means, we have every right to create the feature film script (a derivative work of the original material) on a non-exclusive basis.Ok. So before I can really ask my main question, I need to see if my understanding is correct. To make sure my understanding is correct: (i) Is what we created indeed a “joint ownership”? And, if so, do we need to be able to prove this if the other two creators have changed their minds as to our relationship back then now that it is 3-4 years later? Would the main script bearing all four of our names suffice? (ii) Is the feature film script we have written considered a derivative work? If so, do my writing partner and I have the right to create such a work, at least on a non-exclusive basis? (iii) What if nothing has an official copyright registration?Now, if my understanding is correct, then we do have the rights we need to create the feature film, and copyright it as a derivative work of the original material. We would just owe to the other writers 25% each of whatever monies we paid to ourselves in order to license on a non-exclusive basis the derivative rights in the original work (in this case $0). If this is true, then although we have all the rights we need already, I feel it would be prudent, helpful, and possibly necessary for future deals if we are able to get their consent as well so that we can gain exclusive rights.Assuming you agree with that, then that brings me to my main overall question, what all forms/agreements do I need to get in writing from the other two, or more likely, in writing between all four of us to gain exclusive rights for my writing partner and myself ( I assume I would only need exclusive derivative rights) and to make everything binding?I hope I have explained things well enough that you can provide me with some clarity, and sound legal counsel. Thank you for your time.Sincerely,Bradford
Optional Information: State/Country relating to question: California Already Tried: I have not tried anything yet. I am wanting to find out what documents and agreements will need to be signed and negotiated between my writing partner and myself and the other two creators. I am the most legally minded of the group, and have always been the driving force behind getting these things done. I am wanting to be prepared, and educated, so that I can protect my interests, but also negotiate a contract to satisfy all.
(i) Is what we created indeed a “joint ownership”? California has a unique law (Civil Code 980) that covers products of the mind which are not fixed in any tangible medium or expression. Because of this law, ideas which are still just concepts can be protected as separate or joint efforts. Once a creative idea is fixed in some expressive medium, federal law preempts California law and the work is fully subject to the U.S. Copyright Act. Under both sets of law, a work is joint, if a person actually contributes to the fixation of the work or to the idea. It is not enough for a person to agree to be a part of the joint work -- neither is it enough for a person to contribute non-creative efforts. For example, a person who creates the text of a story is entitled to protection for his/her efforts -- but, a person who types the text into a computer and formats it for publication has no protectable right, because the work is not creative. Given this background, and your stated facts, I believe that your efforts are a joint work up until the point that any portion of that work is actually fixed into a medium -- at that point, only the actual contributors are entitled to protection of the copyright laws -- regardless of any oral or implied partnership agreement to the contrary. Had you a written partnership agreement under which the partnership would have become the owner of the creative work, and the partnership was specially commissioning the work from its members, then there would be a partnership which would own everything, and no individual partner would own anything. But, as this did not occur, my explanation in the previous paragraph, is, I believe, the correct interpretation of law concerning your circumstances. And, if so, do we need to be able to prove this if the other two creators have changed their minds as to our relationship back then now that it is 3-4 years later?A: As previously mentioned, I believe that the only protectable interests here are those which have actually been fixed in a tangible medium. Would the main script bearing all four of our names suffice?A: No. (ii) Is the feature film script we have written considered a derivative work? If so, do my writing partner and I have the right to create such a work, at least on a non-exclusive basis?A: To the extent that it uses actual text or illustrations from a prior work (or works so substantially similar that it is clearly a copy of a preexisting work), yes, otherwise no. (iii) What if nothing has an official copyright registration?A: A copyright exists at the moment of creation. Registration is simply notice to the world of the work's ownership. It does not absolutely prohibit the actual creator from proving that the registration is a fraud or mistake. Now, if my understanding is correct, then we do have the rights we need to create the feature film, and copyright it as a derivative work of the original material. We would just owe to the other writers 25% each of whatever monies we paid to ourselves in order to license on a non-exclusive basis the derivative rights in the original work (in this case $0). If this is true, then although we have all the rights we need already, I feel it would be prudent, helpful, and possibly necessary for future deals if we are able to get their consent as well so that we can gain exclusive rights.A: Getting an agreement, even if it does not perfectly follow the actual legal state of your joint and/or separate efforts, is probably less costly than trying to litigate the matter after the fact. Because your circumstances are so complex, that in the event that something becomes highly valuable, the litigation costs will be stupendous, and the case could go on for years -- meanwhile, no one would know where he/she stands.Assuming you agree with that, then that brings me to my main overall question, what all forms/agreements do I need to get in writing from the other two, or more likely, in writing between all four of us to gain exclusive rights for my writing partner and myself ( I assume I would only need exclusive derivative rights) and to make everything binding?A: If it were me, I would probably form an LLC, and draft an operating agreement under which everyone would have an established stake in the works created. Then, I would have each member assign his or her intellectual property rights in all of the currently created works to the LLC. Whether or not you want to include derivative works in the LLC is up to you -- but, in my view, you need a clear statement of ownership in the original works, and an equally clear cut off point after which, your works are your own and not subject to LLC ownership (unless you want the works to be subject to that ownership). That said, you will not find "forms" online that can accommodate your requirements. You will need a custom-drafted agreement, if you want to get this right the first time. In the real world, what usually happens is that the various creators cannot afford to hire an IP lawyer to draft the necessary documents, the parties throw something together, and then if something breaks out and makes money, suddenly there is enough dough to hire lawyers and negotiate a settlement of the ownership rights. I suspect that this is what will happen in your case. That said, you may want to seek out a website with a fairly straightforward LLC agreement and form the organization with a stock operating agreement. More than likely, the agreement will be full of holes, but it will be better than nothing at all.Hope this helps. NOTICE: My goal here is to entertain while educating the public about the law. I hope my answer is useful and informative to you. During our conversation, the website may ask you to rate my answer. If you rate my answer lower than the middle rating, then the website retains your entire payment, and I receive nothing. It is entirely your choice as to how you rate my answer. However, because your payment to me is in the nature of a donation/gift, rather than as compensation for any services rendered, you are entitled to know how your rating affects the final distribution of your donation. 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Hello, If you could please clarify this for me a little:
That fixed expression now bears the Written By credit to all of us. So for instance, would that script, in its tangible form, be a joint work? Some of us wrote more than others, but we all combined it together into that one script, which has all of our names only once for the entire thing. Not our name over each particular part we wrote.A: The issue for a court, were a dispute to occur, is not whose name is XXXXX XXXXX cover, but rather whether each person actually contributed creatively to the manuscript. If each person created text for the script, then the work is joint. But, as previously mentioned, as an example, if one of you simply typed all of the text to combined it into a finished manuscript, then that person is not a joint creator, because the person's efforts were not creative. Hope this helps. NOTICE: My goal here is to entertain while educating the public about the law. I hope my answer is useful and informative to you. During our conversation, the website may ask you to rate my answer. If you rate my answer lower than the middle rating, then the website retains your entire payment, and I receive nothing. It is entirely your choice as to how you rate my answer. However, because your payment to me is in the nature of a donation/gift, rather than as compensation for any services rendered, you are entitled to know how your rating affects the final distribution of your donation. If you need to contact me again, please put my user id at the beginning of your question ("To Socrateaser"), and the system will send me an alert. Please Click the following link for IMPORTANT LEGAL INFORMATION. Thanks and best wishes!