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I just bought a Honeywell RTH2310 programmable thermostat which

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I just bought a Honeywell RTH2310 programmable thermostat which replaced the RTH 230B. As i did not use all the wires for the latter thermostat, is the same true for this replacement? I have a carrier a/c unit.
Submitted: 9 months ago.
Category: HVAC
Expert:  Airheatman replied 9 months ago.
Hello. My name is XXXXX XXXXX X'XX do my best to help. Troubleshooting often requires meters and test equipment. Let's get started and see what we can do.
If you can tell me what wires you have to each terminal currently and what type system you have, we will go from here.
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

The ac system is Carrier...The wires are color codes, as you know. The connections are marked by the letter of the color. There is a jumper at the R .


 

Expert:  Airheatman replied 9 months ago.
OK, by type of system I was not asking Brand?
I meant is it a gas, or electric? Heat pump or non heat pump?
Since this thermostat will not work on heat pump we basically have two choices. Gas or Electric.
First if verify the little jumper on back is set correctly.If you have gas heat it should have come set HG.If you have electric change jumper to HE.
Wiring should be Red to RC and RH (This is 24v power)
White to W (This is to control HEAT)
Yellow to Y (THis controls outdoor in Cool mode)
Green is G (Controls blower). Let me know if all is correct and we will go from here.
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

electric system..the jumper is placed in r/rc

Expert:  Airheatman replied 9 months ago.

OK did you set the little jumper on back of thermostat to HE? It comes form factory set at HG and must be changed This is not where your controls wirs are connected.It is a seperate jumper.Plastic that clips on prongs

 

 

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

It is set to electric...I moved it from the factory setting.

Expert:  Airheatman replied 9 months ago.
Ok, now lets try each mode. Will fan come on in FAM mode? Will heat and cool come on in their modes? If not we will try a couple of troubleshooting steps to determine if issue is in thermostat or unit.
Expert:  Airheatman replied 9 months ago.
If nothing will come on. there are a few things we can check.
Remove wires from thermostat.Touch R to G and blower should come on. Touch R to W and heat should come on.Touch R to Y and outdoor unit should come on.If nothing comes on, your problem is not in the thermostat.So you can reconnect all wires.
If unit was working before replacing thermostat, it is possible you let two wires touch somewhere while replacing , that shorted either a small fuse in the air handler or shorted the transformer.
You stated that all of the wires were not used. You may have a blue (Common ) wire from unit that is not used.If it by any chance touched the red wire ,they would short out and blow either fuse or transformer if you did not turn power off at indoor unit before starting.
Let me know and we will go from here. Also if you have a volt meter so we can check voltage at different locations will be helpful.
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

I checked the 3 amp fuse on the unit to see if it was blown..it wasn't but I replaced it anyway..Again, the heat will come on....just can't seem to get the ac to come on

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

I turned the power off at the breaker before I began anything.


 

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

I touched the red to yellow and the outdoor unit started....so what does that mean?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

OKAY: R to G works..blower comes on...R to W works and heat comes on...R to Y works as outdoor unit comes on..Do you think I need to remove the jumper from R/RC?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

and where would the transformer be located?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.
Relist: Incomplete answer.
I have been waiting over an hour for a response after I have continually added information from suggestions he made.
Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

Hello there! I'm Norman but you can call me Norm. I'm sorry the other experts have stepped away.

Let me see what I might can do to help.

 

First so I understand the exact setup you have tell me what color wires you have going to which terminals on the thermostat. LIke Orange to O/B, White to AUX, etc.

 

From what I read you seem to have voltage as required and it sounds like the system is operating when jumped. My thoughts are it is a simple, but very common, thermostat setup issue.

 

I'll be standing by for your reply.

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
Also, please tell me what color wires connected to what terminals on your old thermostat.
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

Okay....maybe it's not fixed


 

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

I'm here to help if you still need it.

 

I'd also like to know with your system did the outdoor unit run when you would heat the home before and cool the home or did the outdoor only run for A/C mode and rely on the indoor furnace for heating?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

Okay....The wires are: Left to right...brown...not connected: green, yellow, white, red into the rc slot...and jumper from r/rc removed.


 


When I tried the r+g wire, the blower came on...r+w wire, the heat came on...r+yellow, the outdoor unit came on.

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
Ok, the R to Rc jumper HAS to be in place. If not you will find that you can cool but not heat.
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

okay..putting that back in place now

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
Am I to understand that you heat solely with a fully electric furnace? No gas?
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

ac is electric : heat is on the same unit...the only gas is the water heater

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

So the outdoor unit never runs when the system used to heat?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

Yes...it does...I can get the heat to come on, but not the ac since I changed out the thermostat

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

I need to understand more about your system.

 

Does your system have two components, an indoor air handler and an outdoor condensing unit or is this an all in one unit (packaged) with the only equipment outdoors?

 

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

I live in a condo....there is a component outside and an indoor component, air handler.

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
So back when everything worked great it relied on the outdoor unit to run for both cooling and heating?
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

yes..

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

That's what I was thinking but when you tell me you used the RTH230B thermostat before that's where I'm getting thrown off. This thermostat as well as the RTH230B are both for conventional heating/cooling systems. If your outdoor unit is supposed to run in both heating and cooling that would mean you have a heat pump and neither the old RTH230B nor this thermostat are made for a heat pump application.

 

With a heat pump the outdoor unit runs for both heating and cooling and it changes state based on 24v applied via the reversing valve wire O/B.

 

With the RTH230B Did it work for both heating and cooling and operate just fine in both modes? Also, did you ever have an orange wire that was being used?

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

The 230 worked for both...the orange wire was taped off.


 

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
And you had the 230 wired just like this one?
Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
Do you happen to have the model number for the outdoor unit?
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

carrier model 38cks split a/c system

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

Ok, that model number is XXXXX A/C unit only. That tells me a lot.

 

So with all 4 wires connected and a jumper from RC to R what happens when you try to use the thermostat to run the system? This knowing that jumping the wires together allows the system to function as it should.

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

There are 5 wires connected. Are you saying that the orange one shouldn't be?Orange, green, yellow, white and red are connected. The brown wire is taped off, not connected....

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

Red should be to Rh with a jumper to Rc

White should be to W

Green to G

Yellow to Y

 

The rest capped off.

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

Now what happens when you try to use the thermostat. Please consider there may be a time delay between when you turn it on and when the system starts and also between heating/cooling modes.

 

Could take as long as 5 minutes.

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

waiting now

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
Ok
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

While I am waiting, let me take the opportunity to thank you for your help. I am technologically savvy in my job, but when it comes to homeowner stuff, I am sadly lacking, but willing to learn.

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.
Not a problem. We're here to help as we can. Some of us have to come and go based on our schedule. I'm just hoping we can get you up and going and solve this issue.
Customer: replied 9 months ago.

If it doesn't happen to work, what thermostat do you recommend that I can go get on a Sunday?

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

There's nothing wrong with this model thermostat. If the jumping you did works but the thermostat doesn't then the problem is clearly the thermostat.

 

Any Honeywell would be fine. We use a lot of Focus Pro's which seem to work great. Be sure to go with the programmable again.

Customer: replied 9 months ago.

Okay...I think it has been 5 minutes and it has not kicked on, so I am going to return this and get another....

Expert:  Comfort Specialist replied 9 months ago.

Yeah. I feel confident with what you've told me that the thermostat is the culprit. Your system is a 1 stage heat / 1 stage cool thermostat so make sure you buy one that works for that application. Most any thermostat will but in Lowes or Home Depot you may find lots of thermostats with bells and whistles so have fun with that.

 

If you find that you have more questions simply reply. Good working with you!

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