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Honda-Man, Honda Mechanic
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Experience:  I have an Associates Degree in Automotive. 10 Years experience on all makes and models. 20 Years Honda only including factory training. Over 30 years total.
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Head gasket 04 element ,can it be changed without removing

Customer Question

Head gasket 04 element ,can it be changed without removing timing cover
JA: Is this your first time dealing with this issue? What size is your engine?
Customer: Yes on this car 2.4 16 valve
JA: Are you fixing your Element yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: Yes the question is can I change it without removing timing cover as in cable timing the chain and gears at tdc
JA: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?
Customer: No
Submitted: 5 months ago.
Category: Honda
Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

Hi im kevin no the timing cover will need to be removed to access timing chain to remove as cams need to be removed so head can be removed

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
I cannot tie off the chain to the gears at tdc
Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

You can but you will still need to remove cover to access

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
To access what?
Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

Your going to struggle to lift head off with unit tyed up its much easier in the long run to remove covers

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
I was going to tie the gears and chain then remove the cam gears then remove the cams to access the head bolts
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
This is a 2.4 04 honda element
Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

This will work you will need another pair of hands to assist with lifting head off and threading chain and pulleys out .just make sure your at tdc on no.1 incase it moves

Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

How many miles has engine done ?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
If chain and sprockets are removed on the 4 cylinder they do not go though the head,134k on engine water in #4 cyclinder
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
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Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

To be honest at that milage you would be silly not to replace chain ,guides and tensioner as they will be worn .

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Are you kidding,134k is hardly any miles on modern engines,my son has 320k on a ford 5.4 and never been apart except plastic intake
Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

I agree but as you are stripping engine down it would be crazy not to replace

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Are you a honda mechanic?
Expert:  Kevin replied 5 months ago.

Yes clearly you disagree with me its my opinion il opt out mabye another tech can give advice you agree with

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
I have a feeling that you are not familiar with this engine
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
OK thank you
Expert:  Honda-Man replied 5 months ago.

Do you still need an answer?

Thanks,

Honda-Man

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
it is hard to text and try and understand if the person understands what you are talking about
Expert:  Honda-Man replied 5 months ago.

Sorry for the delay. It would be impossible or close to impossible to be sure the head to timing cover sealer would hold. I have included a diagram with the area I am referring to. You will be fighting it for sure. It would be a gamble to reuse the timing components, since you are in there you should replace them. I would never go through all of the trouble and reuse timing components. The last expert made a solid recommendation regarding the chain, guides, tensioner etc. If your Element has had above average service history(excellent) I might say reuse the parts. it's totally your call. Problem is we see too many stretched worn timing chains, guides, and tensioners. I have replaced them while still under warranty. Most were under maintained or just met the scheduled maintenance. There has been too many problems for me to say reuse the parts. I would also not even try doing the head gasket with the timing chain installed. I can provide the instructions if needed, just ask. My advice is based on actual experience and factory training. I have worked on this exact engine countless times.

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Thank you,

~Cliff

Expert:  Honda-Man replied 5 months ago.
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Thank you,your answer is very understanding.I understand now why I can't shortcut the job.
Expert:  Honda-Man replied 5 months ago.

I don't blame you for wanting to try. Being a flat rate mechanic for over 30 years it's automatic to look for short cuts. Sometimes there are just aren't any.

Thank you again, please rate or accept my answer.

~Cliff