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1994 Honda Accord does not get any fire even after replacing

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1994 Honda Accord does not get any fire even after replacing the distributor and the coil. It is a 4cyn L4 2.2l
Submitted: 5 months ago.
Category: Honda
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

HI there,

Does the check engine light come on when you turn the key on?
Do you have a test light?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
I will have to check and see if the check engine comes on. I do not have a test light.
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

Ok

Also, take the distributor cap off and make sure the rotor turns while you are cranking the engine.

Please let me know.

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Will let you know tomorrow. Thanks
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

You're very welcome!!

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Mike,
My check engine light does come on and the rotor does turn properly. I do have a test light
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

Ok

How have you tested for spark?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Took out spark plug with wire cap on and test next to the engine block
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

ok,

Check the blue wire and the yellow/black stripped wire at the coil for power with the key on and let me know.

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Hi Mike,
The Blue wire has no power going to it. What is next?
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
The blue wir on the coil has no power going to it. What do I do now?
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

Did the other wire have power?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
The yellow/black stripped wire do have power but none from blue
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

Ok, the wiring diagram is showing the blue wire going into the fuse box under the dash. So, check all the fuses for power with the key on. It's not telling me which fuse powers it up or even if it should have power. The ignition module does show that its what fires the coil, but simply no good info on that blue wire.

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
checked all fuses in panel under dash. all good. What do I do next
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

Is the ignition coil part of the distributor on this or external?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
the coil is external from the distributor
Expert:  Carguy1 replied 5 months ago.

Ok

I am going to open this back up for the other experts. I suspect the coil is the problem but my service info isn't giving me any decent testing for the wiring to the coil.

Please don't reply to me or it will lock it to me. I want you to be able to get some help with this, so please, don't reply.

Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

Hello welcome to just answer I am master tech .

I will be able to assist you .

you mentioned the rotor does not turn right ?

can you tell me more about this.

also what service work has been done and do you have a compression gauge

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
The rotor does turn. The distributor was replaced as was the coil. On the coil there is no fire with the ignition on into or out of the blue wire.
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Also, I do not have a compression gauge
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

is the rotor aligned with the # ***** cylinder ?

Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

is the check engine light on or cycles off after a few seconds

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Sir, this engine does not crank period. We replaced the coil and put in a new distributor.
The engine does not get fire.
The yellow black wire coming off the coil has fire. The BLUE wire coming off the coil has NO fire.
When you turn the ignition switch to on position the rotor will turn.
Bot***** *****ne no fire.
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

ok the engine will not turn over at all when you turn the key to the start position ?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
it will turn over just no fire to crank it.
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

ok

does the check engine light stay on or goes out ?

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
I will check in the morning. I would presume it would stay on until the car cranked; that being said I will see what it does.
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

ok it should go out

Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

ok

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
This morning turned the engine over and over and the check engine light did not go out. Keep in mind it just turns over but never cranks......please advise
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

ok cranking does nothing for the check engine light.

turn the key on and does it go out or stay on.

Don't crank the engine

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
The engine light stays o when key is turned to on position
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

Ok let me grab some info

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
thanks
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
also still perplexed by blue wire off of coil that obviously goes into the distributor and/or ignitor has no spark
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
12:25cdst did you just send another message. Look like I might have missed one
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

yes I did see the msg about the check engine light.

if the system is not grounding or something it open their will be no power from the pcm.

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
I sent you answer about checking engine light. It stays on without cranking and when you turn the engine over to crank still stays on.
So what do I do now
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

on the intake manifold their is a ground G101 see if it's attached if it is then remove it and clean the tab and the surface on the intake

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
OK cleaned G101 and still no improvement. I have noticed that on the gears It reads park and it goes off when I shift to reverse or Drive !, 2 or 3 (which ever light up. Oddly D4 stays lit up al the time. Doesn't matter if in Park or any other shift setting. Not sure if this is important or not.
Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Havent heard back from you. What do I do next?
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

sorry i got busy at work.

let me look over some things

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
When you can give me further instruction on my problem
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

please forgive me I thought I posted the info.

work was insane today.

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
The pdf charts you sent appear that a test instrument is need . Other than that it gives me no instructions as to location of Electronic Control Unit (CLU) or ECM. I need to know how to manually check all this.
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

the jumper box is a dealer tool

basically your back probing the pcm connectors.

the ecu is under the glove box on the floor you will need to remove the steel cover to gain access.

Customer: replied 5 months ago.
Still trying to figure the charts you sent/ They have no explanation for me to work with. I will contact once I get it figured out.
Expert:  MASTER TECH replied 5 months ago.

its pretty straight forward flow chart.

its wire checking and ohm readings to see if their is a open in the harness or a failed ecu or component in the system

you will need a volt ohm meter to do this work

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