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Replacing interior door and building a new jamb

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My home is a ranch built in 1973 or so. Absolute minimum building standards. I am replacing the interior pre-hung hollow core doors with solid wood antique single-panel doors. A total of seven in all. I will be removing the entire pre-hung assembly, jamb and all. What steps do I need to take to build new jambs and hang the doors? The existing framing is large enough, so no need to expand the opening, although shimming or building it up is likely.
I have no formal carpentry training, but this is house #4 for me. I've done most repairs and updates myself in this and all the other houses I've owned. Mostly cosmetic, nothing structural. New baseboards/crown moulding is the most I've done wood-wise. Just to give an idea of my skill level and how much hand-holding I'll need.
I want to do this right, but don't have the tools or the time to do it to the Nth degree. Solid and straight is my aim, but it is just a ranch and moulding hides all manner of ills, so for the Norm Abrams crowd out there, Lord love you, but it would be wasted on me.
Submitted: 8 years ago.
Category: Home Improvement
Expert:  Glenn replied 8 years ago.

hello


are the replacement doors larger than the doors your taking out the reason i ask this is you could leave the jambs up and just replace the doors

Expert:  Andy Lambert replied 8 years ago.

If your new doors aren't pre-hung you will have to make your own jambs. This is not for the faint of heart. You will need to measure on the hinge side of the door where your hinges will be located. You must match the jamb. You need to place the door on it's (doorknob) side. You can make 2 holders by placing a 2x4's on the floor (about three feet long) and nailing two 2x4's vertically to each side of the floor studs. This way here you can work comfortably with the door without trying to balance it on it's side while working on it. You may want to tack (preferably glue) carpeting or a soft material so you don't mar the door. They sell jigs that you tack to the side of the door that measures where you should be countersinking the hinges. You use the same measurements on the accepting wall jamb. You can outline the measurements with a pencil then carefully chisel out the wood. The hinges must be installed flush (same for the jamb) otherwise they will bind when you close the door. (You will need to make three of them.


You can do this without the jig but you need to be accurate in your measurements. They sell inexpensive homeowner - type jigs for a person like you who (maybe you can rent a good one) doesn't hang doors for a living. I suggest you look into it. Check with Home Depot or Lowes if there is one near you. Once you have your hinges installed on the door you will take the door and place it up against the jamb that will accept the hinges. You may want to keep the door from flailing about while you do this. Sometimes a piece of cardboard under the door will do. Make sure your hinge side jamb is securely fastened to the 2x4 behind it and that it is level (very important!).


Start with your top hinge (one screw only) then do the rest (only one screw in each hinge going into the jamb to start. Once the door is level, screw the rest of the hinge screws in. Check your door when swinging it to see if it will catch anywhere or if is nice and level at the top and latch side. You need to leave perhaps about a quarter inch gap around the door, especially on the latch side so that it moves freely. Open the door and install (tack) your latch receiving jamb to the 2x4 behind it. Only a finish nail should be used. Do not place the nail on the inside where the door will be closing as this will interfere with your testing of the alignment of the door. Once it looks good do not completely nail it to the 2x4 at this time as you still have a top (header) to install. You may not need to do anything at that point because most rough door openings are the same height.


If you need to install a horizontal header just open the door fully but look and see first if you need to install one and if you do, how far down it will need to come. You will be able to tell as you go along in the installation as you will see uneven spaces between the door and the jambs. The rest is cutting and finish nailing your trim. Start with the top of the door and go down each side. Most of the time the trim should rest on top of the baseboard trim. You need a miter box to cut your trim but don't worry if it's not perfect, that's what wood putty is for. Countersinking your nails and apply putty over them. Once the putty dries sand lightly flush, clean, and paint or stain. The most important part in hanging a door is the hinge side. Once that's installed and is right on the money, the rest is easy. This is one way to do it. You can also build your jamb around the door before you put it up against the door rough opening in the wall. I think I got everything you need to know but if not, let me know if you need further clarification.


Hope I Helped :)


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Expert:  Marty replied 8 years ago.
Are the new doors you are hanging "pre-hung" or will you making
new jambs for them?.....This answer will lead us in a more "straight
forward" direction..

Customer: replied 8 years ago.
Andy,
Thank you for your answer. The information was comprehensive and very helpful. I do have a few questions, more due to the quirks of the house than anything.
You mentioned both options, do you think the jamb should be installed one piece at a time, rather than putting it together (including preparing the hinge areas) and then nailing it to the 2x4s? It sounds trickier to make it first. I will need a header (you should see the gap!). Should I add a (shimmed if necessary) 2x4 to the existing horizontal framing so the jamb header can be nailed directly to that once the correct height has been determined? Along the same lines, would it be best to add wood to reframe the opening along the sides if the gap is too large? The reason I ask is the existing door jamb(s) was(were) placed in a too-large opening(s). There are gaps ranging from 1/4" up to an inch on the sides and better than two inches on the top. Some spots are shimmed and because the framing is not even remotely square, some areas are held in by friction and some just hang in air. A decent tantrum could take the doors down, jambs and all. Bear in mind there are 7 doors and all the gaps are different. The whole house is awful that way. At what point would it be better to add solid wood rather than shim in the vertical jambs? More than an inch? The doors I'm installing are antique solid wood. Much heavier than the hollow core ones and I want it solid. I think I just answered my own question about assembling the whole thing first. There's going to be so much fussing to get it all square and level I would rather build them one piece at a time unless you have a compelling reason to the contrary.
Also, what should the gap at the bottom of the door be? This whole thing started with me tearing out the carpeting and installing laminate flooring throughout the house and I don't know what would be a good clearance with the new floor.
I was planning to run the door moulding to the floor and butting the baseboard against it. It seems to look cleaner that way with the trim I've chosen. I have a compound miter saw so that's not too bad. Did I mention the crown moulding is next?
I will check at Home Depot and Lowe's for the jig you mentioned. Does this permit the use of a router instead of a chisel?
Thank you for your time.
Diane
Customer: replied 8 years ago.
Reply to glenn's Post: Glenn,
Thank you for responding. Simply replacing the doors is not an option.
Customer: replied 8 years ago.
Reply to Marty's Post: Marty,
Thank you for your inquiry. The question was how to make new jambs and then hang the doors. Another gentleman was able to give me the information I needed.
Expert:  Andy Lambert replied 8 years ago.

Diane,


You should leave 1/2" or less at the bottom of the door. If one room has a high pile carpet and the other has a bare finished wood floor you will need to consider the carpet side of the door. Take your 1/2" from there. You should not have more than an inch to an inch and a half gap in the rough opening. You can add a 2x4 at the header or sides if you see that you will be left with an inch or inch and a half gap once it's nailed. Another trick is to use a "1x4" pine board for your gap. These are actually 3/4 inches thick and will fill a gap if you see the gaps are too wide to handle the heavy door. Nail them solid against the header and sides of the opening.


You can then shim from that point. The 1/4" gap you mention is fine to work with. The 2" at the top is too much. Add a 1"x4" pine board as a 3/4" filler and that leaves you with an 1 1/4". You only need a nailer at the top header for the jamb anyway. There is no weight on the header. You just want to make it solid enough to accept a slammed heavy door without it moving. The most important is the hinge side. That is very crucial to your success in installing a nice level door. Make sure it isn't just level up and down you also need to make sure the hinge side door jamb is level from right to left.


In other words if your jamb sticks out 1/2" more to the right on the bottom and gradually levels off at the top of the jamb your door's bottom will hit the latch side first and you will not be able to close the door at all as the gap at the top of the latch jamb will have a gap equal to that 1/2". You don't want that. I would also suggest that you build the jamb one piece at a time starting with the hinge side. You could technically install just the hinge side jamb then hang your door on it before anything else is installed. If you did that you could actually see how much filler you need for the rest of the assembly.


It's easy to do it this way because you can always open the door to give you enough room to nail the header and latch side jambs. Running the door molding to the floor first is fine. Whatever looks clean. Like you said, it looks better that way in your case. A router is actually preferable to a chisel, that's what the jig does, it prevents you from going too deep. You may need the chisel to remove small specs of remaining wood chips. Thank you for the generous payment and bonus:)


Andy.

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Category: Home Improvement
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Customer: replied 8 years ago.
Andy,
Just wanted to thank you again for all your help. Your advice was well worth the cost. I can only imagine what you've saved me had I needed to hire a contractor. There's also the 'teach a man to fish' aspect. Thank you for sharing your expertise. When the next project comes up, you'll be the first one I ask.
Regards,
Diane

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