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2004 gmc 2500hd won't start it died. It won't turn over in

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2004 gmc 2500hd won't start it died. It won't turn over in the dash lights seem to stay on for some reason I could turn it over if I put a remote switch off of the starter it'll turn over but won't start
Submitted: 11 months ago.
Category: GMC
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Hi

Let's see if we can get you going again.

First, can you check the PCMB fuse to see if it's blown?

Also, check the fuel pump relay for signs of excessive heat.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
No it's not. Seems like I'm looked out
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I put a new relay in no luck
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Verify the "IGNA" 40 amp fuse in the Underhood Electrical Center (UHEC).

Check for voltage at the Red wire at the Ignition Switch in pin F.

If no voltage is present, check pin A10 at connector C201 at the base of the steering column.

If no voltage is present, check the bottom of the UHEC for rodent damage.

Check the Red wire in 68 cavity Gray connector at pin B12.

If voltage is present, replace the Red wire circuit #142.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Not sure where pin f is and a10
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
40amp good
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Not sure what the UHEC is
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

It's in the ignition switch connector.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Sorry, the UHEC is just the book's way of saying under hood fuse box.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
put a new ignition switch in
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Right, pin F feeds voltage to the ignition switch.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
red has power
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Where is #142 red wire circuit
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

You would only need to replace the red wire circuit if there is no voltage at the ignition switch. The #142 circuit is at the PCM.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Do any other electrical circuits work? Door locks, power mirror (if equipped), power window etc.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

How do the IGN0 and IGN3 fuses in the under dash fuse box look? Do they have 12 volts with key on or off?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
The Ing0 and ing3 have 14v only when turn ignition on
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Power door locks only work when key is turned on! Power Windows work
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

When you first turn the key to the run position can you hear the fuel pump run for a few seconds?

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

When you jumped the starter to get it to crank did you have the key in the run position?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
It doesn't seem like could hear fuel pump. When I jump start it with key in run position dose not run just turns over. I did have I running just for a minute 2 times and yesterday about 10-15 minutes one time than it goes like dead and can't even get it to turn over
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

If you jumper the fuel pump relay will the pump run?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
How do I do that
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Jump pin 30 and 87 together. It should run the pump.

You should also be able to jump pin 30 and 87 together on the starter relay to get it to crank.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Do you have a scan tool to check for communication with the PCM and BCM?

I'm leaving the shop in a few minutes here, I might have to catch back up with you this evening.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
That's fine I did just buy a snapon scanner just not that good with it yet
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I Jump fuel pump couldn't hear it and I jump starter relay and it cranked!
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Can you command the fuel pump to run with the scan tool?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
It says no communication
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I did jump relay for fuel pump it runs I was doing wrong one
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

No comms huh? Might be a PCM problem. Let me look at the schematic and see where we should look next.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
It just cranked over about 3 revolutions and stopped dead again! Strange
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

1. Locate the splice pack SP205, which is taped to the harness above the left side footwell light under the Instrument Panel (IP) on the left side near the back of the fuse block.

2. Remove the "Comb". Connect a scanner to the DLC. Use a suitable jumper to short pin D, a Purple wire to the Dk Green wire at pin B. Attempt to communicate with the Powertrain Control Module (PCM).

3. If communications work, use another jumper to short pins B and D to each of the other pins in SP205 one at a time. Determine which wire/module is causing the communications failure. When that wire/module is shorted to pins B and D, the scanner will go to "No Communications".

4. Go to that module for a circuit failure in the Class 2 data circuit or power or ground issue going to that particular module.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

My guess is that it's the IPC- Pin G

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

If you don't get any communication in step 3, then there is probably a PCM problem.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Not sure what you mean can specify more! A found the connector behind fuze block going by drawing 15305291 jumper B and D
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
On the drawing where you plug scan tool in it says splice pack - SP205 miss leading,
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
on bottom of drawing
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

That is worded kind of weird. The scan tool plugs into the Data Link Connector like normal, not the SP205. You just unplug SP205 and jumper the pins while you have the scan tool plugged into the DLC.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
it is communicating !
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Not sure what is next!
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
No engine codes! But there is codes on BCM - B2961, U1000, U1305, U1160
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Check the connector at the BCM for corrosion or water intrusion. All of those codes have to do with the BCM connector.

You should also check the ground point at the back of the engine; that point to the U1305 code. It's right at the firewall on the transmission bell-housing or the cylinder head.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
The BCM is right at lower steering column?
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Just to the right of the column. Here is the replacement procedure. It shows where the connectors are. I would pull the connectors and put some dielectric grease in there and then plug them back in.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I took all connectors off they look fine and the terminals look good. I opened BCM up looked at both sides of board didn't see anything bad
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

So will it crank now that the communication network is back up?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Should I try it with B to D jumper in? Or remove it!
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

I didn't realize you hadn't yet jumpered the other module pins. I thought you meant it just started communicating again.

You will want to jumper the other pins one at a time to the b-d jumper until the scan tool drops communications.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Whichever pin it drops communications on has a faulty corresponding module.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
If you put one end of wire to B and other end of same wire to D . How could you tell what drops
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

You need another wire to jump from those two to another pin in the connector. Going from B to D just wakes up the network.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Not sure what you mean? I jumped B and D on diagram 15305291
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
On that sp205 connector there was only a female end
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

This should be the SP205 pin out view. This is where the jumper from b-d is currently right?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
right
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

I forgot the attachment.

From there you jump to each of the other pins one at a time while watching the scan tool.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Just so no confusion the drawing number is ***** this is the view of connector
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

I would probably start by jumping b-d to pin g. Then check communication. The most common fault on these trucks is the IPC.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
It's saying no communications ( portID=0x0002 BEN=G2209)
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
What a IPC
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
What is a IPC ?
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Instrument panel cluster. If it dropped comms when you jumped to that pin then the short is in the instrument cluster.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Could I try one from other gmc truck? Or are they specify to one vehicle
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
I have a 2002 sitting here
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

The mileage is the only thing that won't be correct. It should allow the engine to start if the connector is the same on the 2002. I couldn't say off hand whether they are the same.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

You might even be able to start it if you unplug the cluster connector. I know the 2000 and back models will start with no cluster; never tried on a 2004.

Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

It's worth a try since you can get the cluster out in about 2 minutes on this one.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
No luck does same thing it's dead no attemp to turn over!
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Disconnected or with the 2002 IPC?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Didn't turn over with it plugged in or unplugged
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Did your communication come back at the scan tool?

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
No it didnt
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

How do the wires look under the underhood fuse box?

It's a good place for rodents to chew wires.

You can remove the plastic cover and pull the box up and see all of the harnesses underneath.

Customer: replied 11 months ago.
under hood the fuze box looks fine! It just won't turn over its like some how lost pos. or neg. to starter. I'm puzzled
Customer: replied 11 months ago.
Can you wiring schematic on the ignition switch to the starter and neutral safety switch wiring
Expert:  Jared D replied 11 months ago.

Here is the starting circuit.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Still trying things! Any info on 3 wires on top of ignition switch an 2 behind it they have something to do with passcode lock. Would that keep truck from not turning over?
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I tried a new computer it did same thing
Expert:  Jared D replied 10 months ago.

I'm sorry I didn't notice your response the other day. Your question dropped onto my timed out list for a lack of rating.

I'm not showing a pats option on the 2004 2500hd. That could be wrong though. What does your key look like? Is it black with the little plus symbol on the key?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Where is the ground point G103?
Expert:  Jared D replied 10 months ago.

Your question has dropped to my timed out list for a lack of a positive rating. This also means that I have not been compensated for my time; we initiated this conversation a month ago.