the E 104 is a completely different form needed if you need to prove a minimum time of paid social security in another country.
E101 or A1 is limited to a period of 12 months. It is for people who a sent temporarily abroad. This does not suit your situation, either.
At the moment on the basis of EU lawI don't see a way of avoiding social security in Greece. However, I don't know Greek law.
Hope, I could help at least a bit.
Thank you for your answer.
Does n't the law says that you can choose in which country you will pay the social security?
If you choose Germany in this case?
It would meen that I will have to pay both?
I checked again. The information from Greece is correct. You should pay only in the state where you pursue the substantial part of your activity, see Art. 13 of this Regulation:
I could also find out that the A1 form is the right one also for this constellation. There is a special form for your case.
So, you need to check why the TK cannot give the A1 form to you.
You can find the right form here (II.5):
In case TK doesn't issue the form you will need to sue them before the Social Court (Sozialgericht). However, the link is from the insurance lobby, so they should believe their own information...
Thank you for your answer
But I got this (II.5) form also and this was not accepted by greek authorities.
also I would kindly like to ask you to paste the links in english if possible.
This would meen that if I give this link to my insurance co in Germany they would not have a problem issue the A1 form, or they can only issue the II.5 form that there is in the link.
II. 5 is the A1 form specialized for your case. Then, I don't know what the Greek authorities want. The classical A1 form for a person sent to a different country obviously is not applicable in your case.
As far as I understand things the II.5 actually is NOT the official A1 form. It is the form TK or other German bodies will use in order to obtain from you and your employer the necessary information in order to fill the A1 form by themselves. The actual A1 is the same in the whole EU.
Thus, Greek authorities obviously cannot accept this internal German form.
I don't know where to obtain the II.5 in English. Please ask the German health insurance body directly:
They can also issue directly the A1 form as far as I know.
Let me know if it worked out!
Sorry for my delay.
What I do not understand is why the A1 form is not applicable for my case.
The A1 form is applicable. II.5. is a special local form which makes it easier for the TK to issue the A1 in your case.
Thank you for your help
I came in contact with the DVKA and they ask from me to fill the II.5 form to sign it and to sent it to them. They will process and than they will follow up with me and hopefully they will issue the A1 form for me.
Perfect. Please do not forget to rate my answer and let me know about the final result.
Hello, I just received the A1 form, so I would kindly like to thank you for your consultancy.
All the best!
Perfect. Thanks for the information.
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