This question was previously closed....I think nobody wanted it. Is there hope of digging any deeper?</
Actually I've spent hours digging ever since the first question was opened. I found them in Norfolk, VA in the 1910 census. There they state that Pauline was born in Virginia and they had been married 9 years (since about 1901). I didn't find a marriage record in Virginia. I've looked at every Rosenstein I could find. I did find one interesting family but the dates don't quite jibe.
1880 CENSUS - New York City, New York Co., NY
Meyer Rosenstein 30 M Tailor b Poland both parents b Poland
Pauline Rosenstein 30 F b Poland both parents b Poland
Isaac 6 M Son b NY parents b Poland
Samuel 4 M b NY parents b Poland
Ida 2 F b NY parents b Poland
1900 CENSUS - New York, New York, Manhattan
Meyer Rosenstein b Dec 1849
Pauline b Oct 1849 (Her maiden name was Meyerchak)
Samuel b May 1876
Ida b July 1878
Dinah b Feb 1881
William b Nov 1882
Fannie b Mar 1885
Hannah b Aug 1889
Meyer was the son of Samuel Rosenstein d 1936 and Pauline Majerczyk. Since your Ida named her daughter Pauline, I thought it was at the least an interesting coincidence. Meyer Rosenstein is buried at Bayside Cemetery in Queens.
Don't be turned off by them saying "Poland." In another place it says Germany.
Regarding your last statement.....Meyey was the son of Samuel Rosenstein...Got it....but when you said "son of Samuel....and Pauline Majerczyk"....I didn't understand. Who died in 1936...? Samuel or Meyer?
I am so sorry. I was typing in a hurry and got things totally mixed up from my scribbled notes from yesterday. The whole text is this:
b Oct 1857 Poland
d March 14, 1913 New York, NY
Son of Chaim and Feige (Meyerzing) Rosenstein, husband of Pauline (Meyerchak) Rosenstein, father of Samuel, Hannah, Ida, Diana, William and Fannie. Meyer immigrated to New York in 1871 and worked as a grocer.
It was Samuel his son who b May 1876 d 1936.
See, my research on the Chaikins ends with Tevie Schmeul Chaikin and wife Stera Feige (4 generations ago) buried in NY (findagrave.com).....Our Rubins "fizzle out" with Jacob b:1862 & Etta (Yetta) Rubin of NY (4 generations ago)....and you've just identified our Rosensteins (up to my 5th generation).
Meanwhile, with the Simpson & Fortney families we've gotten as far back as 8-11 generations....So I'm frustrated by the fact that our Jewish side is so hard to track...past 4 generations or so.
But I've been very pleased with your work so far....and thank you!
Thanks! Well, just to give you someting to "chew on".... :-) Presumably from Nizhyn, Ukraine (the site shows Max Mendel was born there), Tevie (see above) b:1832 d:8/22/1904 and Stera b:1835 d:11/30/1904. These are good dates as they are on their gravestones in NY (again, see http://www.findagrave.com/) Their son was Max Mendel Chaikin b:1874 d:9/2/1908 (don't know if there are any more kids..but there don't seem to be). Max Mendel was my wife's GG Grandfather. But as we can't read Hebrew (the GGG Grandparents grave's in Hebrew) the rest is a mystery.
We would LOVE to have more ancestoral info on Tevie and Stera. Probably a name change makes this very difficult....even to find them on a US Census. But Chaikin seems to have stayed...as this is my wifes maiden name.
It's interesting that when you look on findagrave and type in Chaikin and New York you get Tevie and Max. You have to type Chaiken to get Stera, even though their stone lists them together. It's a good clear picture of the stone. Someone knows what they are doing since they are often difficult to photograph clear enough to read. Probably any rabbi can give you the translations on the stones.
I've even tried looking just at the first names on the censuses and haven't gotten anywhere from 1880-1900. It's possible they were missed in all the censuses - some people distrusted government and hid from the census-taker. It's also possible a census taker muddled the name terribly - that's why I was searching on first names. I've been searching since we communicated earlier and so far I've found nothing.
Oh and by the way.....In looking at the info above on Ida, Pauline Rosenstein, etc....I think we might have run into an error. Ida (shown above ages 2 and 22 in the 1880 and 1900 Census) was only a Rosenstein after marrying Jacob (Jake) Rosenstein, so this Ida can't be the one....
The Ida we're searching for would have a different maiden name, unless this is the biggest coincidence in history! :-) (same maiden name as married name!)
The ONE and ONLY solid piece of info I've found is the 1930 Census showing "Jake" b:1878 and Ida b:1884 living in DC with their only child Pauline (they were also living with a Frances Haldeman (Female age 44-widowed) and her daughter Dorothy. It is thought that Frances is Ida or Jacob's sister. As the Census shows, Pauline WAS born in North Carolina though....not Virginia. Now remember, this is the Pauline Rosenstein born in 1906 (my wife's Grandmother). I'm told that Jacob was a fisherman..so places like North Carolina, Baltimore, Norfolk etc...make sense.
And lastly, Jacob's ancestors would be great to find too. But again, all I have at the moment is the 1930 Census in DC.
Actually it wouldn't be an especially big coincidence at all that her maiden name and married name were the same. I see it sometimes, especially among more closed populations and in rural areas.
The 1910 census has Jake, Ida, and Pauline in Norfolk, VA and that Pauline was born in Virginia. Norfolk is a large seaport. Jacob is listed as having arrived in the USA in 1898 and his occupation as being a merchant in a dry goods store - about as far away from being a fisherman as you can get. It also says that he is a naturalized citizen although I haven't seen the evidence of it yet.
I'm still working on this in my spare time.
Jacob and Ida didn't have to be related even though they had the same name. It wasn't forbidden though, so second cousins married. It was common for first cousins to marry in some cultures, but that wasn't generally done in the US. I don't know about where they were originally from.
I didn't know until I started working on your family just how popular the name Ida was. Of course, I knew that Jacob would be a problem. Off to bed now.....
I hope all is well.....In my last reply, I still have much confusion over the birthdates of Ida Rosenstein, so I still don't know if we have a "hit" with her. I clearly see the Ida you were referring to earlier (on www.findagrave.com she's shown as being born Circa 1877 and died 7/16/53) but this just doesn't seem to coincide with what I see as a birthdate for Ida around 1884. It's the 1930 Census that shows OUR Ida living in Washington DC with daughter Pauline. We KNOW for sure that's OUR Ida, but the birthdate estimate (and I don't see why the handwritten Census would be so "off") is more like 1884.
Hmmmm......still wondering........ Scott
Ladies (and sometimes gentlemen) lie about their age - always have. If we examine all the census data, we have:
1880 - 2 yrs old b abt 1878 (unmarried)
1900 - 21 yrs old b July 1878 (unmarried)
1910 - 28 yrs old b abt 1882 (married, living in Norfolk with Jake and Pauline)
1920 - unknown
1930 - 46 yrs old b abt 1884 (living in Washington, DC)
You know for sure that the 1910 Norfolk census is them and she says she is 28; yet 20 years later in the 1930 census, she says that she is 46 (instead of 48). In actuality she was 52 in 1930 and 32 in 1910.
Yes, it's my best hunch that Ida (nee Rosenstein) Rosenstein, wife of Jake and daughter of Meyer, is the same person.
Let me clear up another misconception for you. You mentioned that in the 1930 census, Jake's family were "living with" Frances Haldeman and her daughter Dorothy, and was perhaps a sister of Jake or Ida. That isn't exactly right.
The structure where they lived in 1930 atXXXXXwas a small apartment building with 9 apartments occupied by people from Maryland, Virginia, DC, Louisiana, Wisconsin, etc. There is no reason to assume that any of them were related to the Rosensteins except perhaps Hasting Fortney, age 61 M, single, b MD, father b MD, mother b Germany. He is sharing his apartment with a roomer named George Ford, 52 M, single. Hastings may be part of your extended Fortney family.
Hastings Fortney and George Ford are in the apartment on one side of the Rosensteins and Frances Haldeman is on the other side. Frances was born in DC with both parents born in New Jersey. Unless you know for a fact that she is related to Jake or Ida, I doubt that she or the others in the apartment building are related (with the possible exception of Hastings Fortney).
You're so very welcome. It is my pleasure to help connect people with their ancestors. I remember how exciting it was for me when I was researching my family, and want others to know that joy.