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2008 Ford Escape won't start with key. Replaced ignition

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2008 Ford Escape won't start with key. Replaced ignition strict and starter. Now here's the kicker, if I turn the key then pop my hood and use a wire on a sensor if starts! What could this mean?
Submitted: 10 months ago.
Category: Ford
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Is this an escape or a escape hybrid and is it a xlt, xls or limited and which engine, the 2.3, 3.0 and what sensor under the hood are you referring to and where is the other end of the wire attached to?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Escape, i don't know if it's an xlt or xls, I believe it's a v6, and I'm not sure what sensor, a guy who knows stuff about cars figured it out for me, and the wire has nothing attached to it. It's just a piece of wire with two ends and I touch the two ends on this sensor and the car starts
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Xlt, 3.0. Just looked it up with the vin
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

I need to know what sensor this is. Can you take a photo of your finger pointing to it or something marking it and post the photo?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Pointing at it with my wire
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Ok, that looks like a relay socket. Did you remove the relay right there?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I bought a new sensor and it didn't fix the problem.
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Yeah, here is that Battery Junction Box ,

the relay yo pulled out was the starter relay. Try pulling one of those other relays and put it in that spot and see if the starter cranks now.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

the other 3 in that same spot are all cooling fan relays, so try one of them.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Didn't do anything
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Ok, so you swapped a relay, is that what you are telling me?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Yeah I tried all of them
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Ok,I can see you are jumping 5 to 3 in the relay socket. Do you have a voltmeter or 12 volt test light?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
No I do not
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Check this fuse, the #27 in the smart junction box under the center of the dash. It should be hot all the time. It feeds that starter relay via the ignition switch, pcm and neutral switch.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Replace that fuse then even if it appears not blown if you have another 20a fuse.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Then with the starter relay in see if the starter cranks now.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Here is the wiring diagram in case we need it for the starter,

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Now I am super confused lol I'm sorry I'm not a mechanic. Should I go to autozone and buy these parts ?
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Fuses? Look in the fuse box for a spare. I would check the fuse first before you go to autozone. there is also the MIDI fusible link 174a before that #27 fuse.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

At least just look at both of them and if 1 is blown get a new fuse if you don't have a spare and while you are there pick up a $5 12 volt test light or multi-meter which will have a voltmeter.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

If the fuse is blown, make sure you take it with you too so you get the right type and amperage.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I don't have any fuses that say 20a
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

What do you mean, spares or are you talking about in the smart junction box under the center of the dash?

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Go back to that fuse box where you was under the hood and remove and check that MIDI fusible link 175a. I know I misspelled it before and said 174a, it's a 175a.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

OOps, it's actually a 125a. I see it in that diagram now.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

the fuse I am pointing to in this diagram, check it.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
How do I check it
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

First of all, see if it does come out. If so, about all you can do without a voltmeter or 12 volt test light is remove it and look to see if it's blown.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

If you don't know what to look for, remove it and take a photo and post that photo and I'll look at it.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I can't get it out
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Do you have a pair of pliers? If so, gently try to pull that fuse straight out, maybe wiggling just a little.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

get it out yet?

You also need to check that fuse #27 in the smart junction box under the center of the dash if that 125a fuse is ok.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Getting pliers right now from my neighbor
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

ok

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
The fuse doesn't come out with pliers, I would need a ratchet set which I don't have.
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
There's really not much I am going to be able to do it looks like
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Forget that fuse for now, that 125a fuse feeds that other #27 fuse anyhow, so you could just check that fuse #27 for now.

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
Where's that fuse
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

fuse #27 in the smart junction box under the center of the dash

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Here is a diagram of the Smart Junction Box Components

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

here shows where the smart junction box is, look at the bottom of this diagram, slightly to the right of the middle,

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I don't know how to check it and it's getting really cold and snowy where I am
At. I am going to have to call it a night. I am so sorry.
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

This video shows how, the 4th video is about looking at the fuse. http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/2008_Ford_Escape_Hybrid_2.3L_4_Cyl./fuse_interior/replace

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

I will check in on you tomorrow to see how you are doing.

Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

any news?

Customer: replied 10 months ago.
My husband has the car at work today.
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I won't be able to do anything until
Tomorrow
Expert:  Mike S. replied 10 months ago.

Ok, the next thing was checking that fuse #27 in the fuse box in the center of the dash, just in case you forgot.

Expert:  EricFromCT replied 10 months ago.

When you turn the key to the ON position does the theft light flash rapidly? Or does it come on solid for 3 seconds then go off?

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