Own a Ford Windstar 2003, the ABS and Brake lights flashes together. Lookinfg for an answer.Thanks
Country: CanadaMake: FordModel: WindstarYear: 2003Engine: 3.8
Detect water leaak in windshied, reset all brakes systems, test the ABS module for leak,brakes line also.
Do the lights flash all the time or only when you make abrupt changes in vehicle speed like accelerating quickly or braking quickly, or even cornering?
It flashes on after I drive a few 110 feet. In town as on the hgway.I noted no special pattern. I first thought it started after a long or heavy rain fall. I had the windshield tested at two garages, specialist on windshield replacement. Had the vehicle tested at 2 Ford dealersAll the systems were checked, brakes and all.In late fall and winter, had no such problems. When the lights come on, both at the same time, I stop on the road shoulder on near the sidewalk, shot down and restart the motor after a delay, between 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Sometimes, it does come back, but sometime it does not come back.I pak and come back to the car and get back on the road and it doest not come back.
Though it is difficult to access with the air filter housing in the way, I would like for you to top off your brake fluid and re evaluate the condition! There is a float in the reservoir that can cause this when the brake fluid level gets about half way full, or if the float is bad and allowing it to sit on the bottom of the reservoir! (hint) acquire a 1 pint size bottle of brake fluid and leave the cap on, (making sure aluminum foil seal has been removed) locate the bottle and cap assembly in past the air filter before removing the cap, then once the bottle is in place you can remove the cap and slowly fill the reservoir! Then drive it and let me know if the lights continue to come on as you described
I was having supper and didn't tealised you had sent a reply.As I am french and not much of a mechanic, I would like you to tell me wwhat you mean by this :I would like you to top off your brake fluidI may see it in my mind but I'am not sure completely
Under the hood just rearward of the air filter is the brake master cylinder and reservoir, on the top of the reservoir is a black cap that twists off and inside this reservoir is where you must add brake fluid (DOT3) until the reservoir is full!
Thank you BobI might have to wait for my cousin, next monday to have him do the test for me.But then, It may take saveval days for me to test road the result, as the problem does not emerge every day.What do i have to do to get back to you, lets say in a week or so ?Claude
You can just log back on and reply just as you have been! If the brake fluid does correct the condition, this means that your brake pads are probably getting thin as the brake fluid that is mission in the master cylinder is being displaced and is now in the brake calipers at the wheels, this is a normal condition to advise the driver that the brakes may be getting thin and need to be checked and/or replaced!
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Yesterday, I have contacted every firm involved in the search for the reason for my problem. I went back to my mechanic Jacques, to the dealer shop service department, and to the firm that made the oil protection for rust.I have confirmed with Jacques, my mechanic and he confirmed that when he made a full check up of the brakes systems, he had replaced the master cylindre.I am woundering if there is a ABS electric module, and if so, if it would be in the side panel, near the right front door, i.e. behind the door post, below the windshied, close to where the oassenger legs would stand ? I will get the confirmation from the dealer.I had an oil treatment for rust protection made the same day the windshield was replaced, this was before the problem was first noticed. Last friday, I had a second firm made a full check on possible leaks from the windshield, and nothing was found but : the first time I had an oil treatment made, they made several holes to do so.A whole was made in the door post, about 10 inches from the top, just at the level of the bottom of the windshied. During this last treatment, plugs were removed and the technician noticed that in the top whole, the plug had been removed but was not replaced.Is it possible that there is an ABS electric module below this hole ?Then it would be possible tha water infiltrated in the post, running to the module.Or again, when the first treatment was made, 8 years ago, that the wires above the module would have been damages and over time, would becaume grounded or other and cause the warning signal lignts to come on the dashboard. This is something that I suspected, all alone, that water was the cause, since I beleive that the firsst warning came only a few weeks after the last treatment was made.Every times I mentionned that I thought the problem came and alert came on, I thought it was in relation with infiltration of water the day, or the next day after a long rain period or a heavy rain fall. And after a few days, the problem resolved as water had dry.In the meanwhyle, I should have my car tune up made, oil changes and inspection of all king. Jacques my mechanic will be able to reach behing the plastic decoration panel near the door post and will be able to confirm is a wire has been damaged or if there is any trace of water or rust on the ABS electric module.Then I'lll come back to you, unless you have any other idea on the cause.Thanking you in advanceClaude Genest
I had the door panel beside de right door post and checked for trace of water leak, as there was a plug missing at for the oil protection renewal of last year. The checkup was negative. It also showed that there was an electric module in that section, but it was not related to the ABS electric system.I was asked by the Ford dealer to stop whenever the lights would come on and this morning they made the test with the computer test and it revealed that the ABS module had to be replaced. The electric system was integrated in the ABS module (unde the car.I have an appointment for the replacement on july 3rd, as It was imopossible to be free before that date.I just hope that it is not a wire damaged in the line before it connect to the module itself. We will see and I will get back to you.Please acknowledge receipt of my last communication on june 21 and to day's communication..have a nice week.Claude Genest
You are probably correct, if the master cylinder has been replaced then it more than likely is the abs module! This module is located mounted piggy back to the hydraulic control unit of the braking system, if you were to follow the hydraulic lines from the master cylinder down under the drivers seat under the van you will locate both modules under a plastic cover! The new module will require vehicle specific programming when installed, this information must be retrieved from the old module prior to removal with a scan tool capable of programming! I have attached the workshop manual instructions below
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Hy Super Bob,After all the suggestions, the testing and several replacements, we aggred to replace the ABS module unit. (Cost for the specific module was $841.92, or $1260.73 including labor and taxes.I will drive and test for a few weeks before I consider the repair being the right one to definitively get rid of the problem.The lights used to come on at the beginning once in a few weeks, but lately it came on whithin a few minutes every time I used the vehicle.I'll get back to you to tell you how the test came on.Thank you in the meanwhyle.Claude Genest