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1999 f250: the theft light..stays

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the theft light on my 1999 f250 i just bought stays on blinking when egnition is off is this normal?
Submitted: 4 years ago.
Category: Ford
Expert:  Brad B replied 4 years ago.

Hey Dbar;

 

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It is normal for the theft light to flash on and off once every couple of seconds when the ignition is turned off. This is a theft deterrant. The only time you need to worry about having an issue with the PATS system (Passive Anti Theft System) in your vehicle is when the light continually flashes fast when the key is put to the run position. I hope that has answered your question. If you have any questions let me know!

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Customer: replied 4 years ago.
does it normally do this all the time ? ive never noticed it , but ive only had the truck a couple of weeks.
Expert:  Brad B replied 4 years ago.

The light does this all of the time. It draws very little amperage and will not be an issue in draining your battery. You most likely did not notice the light before due it being fairly small and you were most likely excited at looking at other things that you may have overlooked the light. This is a fairly common question for people who have recently purchased a Ford vehicle with this style of security system. I have a 2003 F-350 w/ a 5.4 which sits for many weeks at a time with no battery charger or being ran / started. And the light has no effect on the battery.

 

The only time you need to worry with the light is when it flashes very fast, this will indicate the vehicle has sensed an issue where someone may have broken into the vehicle or the system not working correctly.

 

If you have any more questions let me know!

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Expert:  Brad B replied 4 years ago.

Here is the description on the PATS system on your truck. The second to last paragraph will explain how the light works.

 

Description and Operation
Notes

The Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) contains the following components:

  • theft indicator
  • encoded ignition key
  • transceiver module
  • instrument cluster
  • Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
  • Standard Corperate Protocol (SCP) communication network

The PATS uses radio frequency identification technology to deter a driveaway theft. Passive means that it does not require any activity from the user. This system is known as SecuriLock(R) in North America, Safeguard(R) in the U.K. and PATS in continental Europe. This information can be found in owners literature.

The PATS uses a specially encoded ignition key. Each encoded ignition key contains a permanently installed electronic device called a transponder. Each transponder contains a unique electronic identification code, with over 72 million billion combinations.

Each encoded ignition key must be programmed into the vehicle's instrument cluster (the instrument cluster is also known as a Hybrid Electronic Cluster (HEC) ), before it can be used to start the engine. Carry out special diagnostic procedures if new encoded ignition keys are to be installed.

The encoded key is larger than a traditional ignition key. The key does not require batteries and should last the life of the vehicle.

The transceiver module communicates with the encoded ignition key. This module is located behind the steering column shroud and contains an antenna connected to a small electronics module. During each vehicle start sequence, the transceiver module reads the encoded ignition key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster.

The control functions are contained in the instrument cluster. This module carries out all of the PATS functions such as receiving the identification code from the encoded ignition key and controlling engine enable. The instrument cluster initiates the key interrogation sequence when the vehicle ignition switch is turned to RUN or START.

The PATS uses the PCM to enable or disable the engine. The instrument cluster communicates with the PCM over the SCP network in order to enable engine operation. The instrument cluster and the PCM use sophisticated messages in order to prevent a theft. The instrument cluster and the PCM share security data (when first installed together) that makes them a matched pair. After this security data sharing, these modules will not function in other vehicles. The shared PCM ID is remembered even if the battery is disconnected. The instrument cluster also stores the vehicle's key identification code even if the battery is disconnected. Carry out special diagnostic procedures if either a new instrument cluster or PCM needs to be installed.

All elements of PATS must be functional before the engine is allowed to start. If any of the components are not working correctly, the vehicle will not start.

PATS uses a visual theft indicator. This indicator will prove out for three seconds when the ignition switch is turned to RUN or START undernormal operation. If there is a PATS problem, this indicator will either flash rapidly or glow steadily (for more than three seconds ) when the ignition switch is turned to RUN or START. PATS also "blips" the theft indicator every two seconds at ignition OFF to act as a visual theft deterrent.

The PATS is not compatible with aftermarket remote start systems, which allow the vehicle to be started from outside the vehicle. These systems may reduce the vehicle security level, and also may cause no-start issues. Remote start systems must be removed before investigation of PATS-related no-start issues.

 

 

Customer: replied 4 years ago.
very pleased you are the man thanks. im a old school ford man this was new to me...
Expert:  Brad B replied 4 years ago.
Glad I could help. If you ever need any help with working on your truck let me know and I will help you out to make sure you resolve any issue the cheapest and fastest way. Thanks once again for choosing Just Answer!
Customer: replied 3 years ago.
1999 f250 heat blowes barely warm , use too be hot. today started truck with heat on high and heard a flapper or something slam shut and heat was hot again, hot all day. just drove it to store and were back to barely warm. need help seems like whatever swithes it to hot isnt working

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