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2003 E350: intermittent misfire problem..coils and injectors

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2003 E350 5.4L Code P0174B. This van has had an intermittent misfire problem for about two months. Changed all the plugs and boots, moved coils and injectors, Mode 6 showed #5 and #6 every single time. Performed compression test and everything looks good. Finally, swapped engine computer with a known good one. Now, misfire seems to be gone as it no longer shows up on my scanner but their is still a hesitation and rough idle problem. Also, I get P0174B consistently, no other codes. Only bank 2 shows lean. All fuel trims, and O2's look good at idle after warm up. This new problem is intermittent. Do I have a leaky intake manifold? Intermittent? Oh! I checked the PCV hose and it is OK. Ideas?
Submitted: 5 years ago.
Category: Ford
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.

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Believe it or not the Airflow sensor can cause one bank along with misfires go lean. I would replace it if it has more than 60K on it.

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Customer: replied 5 years ago.
Just to be clear. You have experienced intermittent misfires on a particular cylinder because of a bad MAF? After posting this question I went ahead and changed the upstream O2 sensor for bank 2 figuring that it might have gotten damaged after two months of misfiring on cylinders 5 and 6. After an unpleasant test drive, I found no code P0174 pending or current but instead got a P0306! Checked Mode 6 and found cylinders 5 and 6 are misfiring again. It's always been those two cylinders and a bad MAF can cause that? I would image a bad MAF would throw codes all over the cylinders. I forgot to mention I have pulled P0316 a number of times too.
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.
Yes, Ive seen the MAF cause what you describe. You need to reset everthing though and run it with the new MAF.
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
I will have to give the MAF a try. If this works, I will probably owe you my sanity. Thanks.
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.
Ok, good luck with it. If for some reason it dosent work, ill be here.
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
Installed new MAF. Sorry didn't work. Still having misfires on 5 and 6. P0174B seems to have gone away with the installation of O2 sensor. Any ideas?
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.
Ok, are you receiving any new codes?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
No codes. Mode 6 shows a low percentage of misfires on cylinders 5 and 6 only. Cylinder 6 showing the highest percentage. The misfires are not appearent at idle much of the time. The misfire is most notable under load, after warm up, such as, pulling away from a traffic light. The misfire does not always occurs in these situations. Sometimes the van pulls away smooth. I have changed, MAF, plugs, boots, coils, injectors, O2 sensor. Performed a compression test of all cylinders on that bank. Tested OK.
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.
Is the PCV system's hoses in good shape?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
Yes PCV hose, PCV, and grommet in valve cover are all free of defects.
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.
Id suspect a leak in the head gasket between the two cylinders, maybe. When the engine is hot, are 5 & 6 lower compression than the rest?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
No, compression was nomal. #5 was 160 and #6 was 165 after 5 revolutions. The 2nd attempt was almost identicle. I performed a test of ten revolutions and the compression was 195 for #5 and 185 for #6. The second attempt was similar. Nothing surprising. The van has 73k on it. I was hoping they would be exactly the same indicating a leak between the two cylinders.
Expert:  Anthony replied 5 years ago.
You are at a leaking intake or bad wiring going to #5 and 6's components.

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