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I need to figure out which models you have (the serial number will help me get the date of manufacture, but not the model).
1. If you open the cylinder on the first gun and look at the part of the frame that was covered by the "crane", which is the part of the gun that the cylinder swings on - what markings do you see there? You will probably see "Mod" and a number. What is that number?
2. What markings do you see on the second gun?
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