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i have a harrington and richardson arms co revolver that i

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i have a harrington and richardson arms co revolver that i received from by pap we believe it may be a service revolver. i would like to know more about it on the side of the barrel it says 38S. &W. CTGE and under the handle grip it says 154239. unfortunitly the barrel looks to be cut off. on the top all you can see is gton and richardson arms co. worcester mass usa. i would like a little bit of history and approx value. i would never sell the gun it would be something passed down to my son one day
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The serial number isn't going to help me figure out what model you have.

How many rounds does it hold?
Is it blued or nickel plated?
Any other markings on the gun (patents, anything)?
Does it have an exposed hammer?
Are the grips plastic, rubber, wood?

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
it holds 5 rounds. theres no hammer exposed. the grip looks to be black plastic on each side. at the top of the grip is a targat with 5 rounds in it then towards the bottom of the grip is another circle pattern. and its nickel plated
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What is the, albeit cut-off, barrel length?
Is the hammer completely enclosed or does it appear as you squeeze the trigger?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
the barrel looks like it was cut off as it stands no more than 2 inches. looks completely enclosed. i beleive he might have used this gun when he was a constible.
Is the gun a top-break or does it have a swing-out cylinder?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
the cylinder doesn't swing out. not really sure what top break means sorry
Top break means that by pushing a button on the top of the frame, the front half of the gun opens forward, exposing all 5 of the chambers in the cylinder for loading.
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
ok thats what it does
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
Sorry I lost connection. Not sure if you got back to me
Thanks for your patience, there are an awful lot of H&R revolver models.

It looks like you have the H&R Hammerless Second Model Large Frame Top Break (Smokeless Powder):

It is a 5 shot 38 S&W double-action revolver that came in nickel plating. The grips are a hard rubber and have a target logo at the top (as you describe). The barrel lengths (as manufactured) are 3 1/4 (standard), 4, 5, or 6 inches.

Based on the serial number, that gun is the 4th variation of the gun and was made between 1913 and 1915.

The truth be told, especially with the barrel being cut off - that gun is more of a piece of important history for your family than something worth much money.

Depending on the condition of the gun, it is worth somewhere between $125 and $325 (if in perfect condition) IF the gun weren't modified. It is less if modified.

I wish I had better news for you, but that model isn't one that is collected much.

I hope this helps.

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
I would never sell the gun. It is more important to me it is a part of my pap's life and that could never have a price on it. Besides my short time of having guns in my life I know I would never sell a gun. I would like to thank you for your time
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
The only other question I could have for you could this gun have been used by him in ww2 or more likely a gun used when he was a constible. He always just said his service gun
Most likely used as a "backup gun" as a constable. That's probably why he had the barrel shortened - it would better fit in a pocket or other more concealable location, while his main service revolver would have been on his hip. And he could use it to carry concealed while off duty.

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