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A debt collector has a judgement against me from 9/2009 I

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A debt collector has a judgement against me from 9/2009 I have since moved and now see they sent a proceedings supplemental as well as a court date to the old address. I still can't pay the debt it's been 7yrs is there any thing I can do to get this to stop? I live in Indiana
Submitted: 9 days ago.
Category: Family Law
Customer: replied 9 days ago.
Can I just send a cease and desist since the judgement was granted 7yrs ago
Expert:  Marc replied 8 days ago.

Hi Matt. My name is ***** ***** I'll be assisting you today. If the debt collector sent court papers to your old address, then it sounds like you were not "served" properly, since you had to either be served personally or, if by mail, there should be some proof that you actually received the papers. I don't know how you ultimately obtained the papers, however. Were you at the old address to receive them? Or were they simply forwarded by the post office to your new address? Most likely, if you or another person on your behalf did not sign anything acknowledging receipt of the papers, you were not served. So, this means that the court has no jurisdiction over you, which means the debt collector cannot sue you. The 7-year lapse does not necessarily apply here if the debt collector began collection proceedings soon after the default judgment. It sounds like that's not the case, though. The upshot is, yes - you should send the debt collector a cease and desist letter, advising them that you are no longer responsible for this debt. If they continue collection efforts, you may then have recourse to sue them for violating state and/or federal debt collection laws.

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Customer: replied 8 days ago.
Hi Marc,Can I hire you to assist me in this matter? I never received any papers. I went online to mycase to look at something else and saw the current case I am asking about. My fear is that they will put out a warrant for my arrest and I certainly don't need that if I don't show up for court. Also I have tried the argument of not being properly served and essentially was laughed at. The Hamilton county sheriff reported I was served and I know from previous experience they leave it on the door and say the person is served. The address where all this accrued is vacant there are no window coverings anyone can see right into the house and see it's not livable. Oh it is also for sale online no sign in the yard though. If I send a cease and desist they also may argue that he was notified or how else would he know to send this.
Expert:  Marc replied 7 days ago.

Hello again. First and foremost - there will be no warrant for arrest for your failure to appear in court. This is a civil matter. At worst, your failure to appear might result in a default judgment against you. But it has been many, many years since the days of debtors prisons, where people were locked up for failing to pay debts.

Now, whoever laughed at you regarding you lack of service claim may not be very familiar with the law (as is often the case with sheriffs and debt collectors). Under Indiana law, service upon an individual may be made by, among other ways, "leaving a copy of the summons and complaint at his dwelling house or usual place of abode." However, Rule 4.15(F) provides that service shall not be deemed insufficient when it “is reasonably calculated to inform the person to be served that an action has been instituted against him.”

In Norris v. Personal Finance, 957 N.E.2d 1002 (Ind. Ct. App. 2011), a borrower failed to make payments on a loan, and the lender filed a collection action. The sheriff delivered the complaint to the address of the parents of the borrower and sent another copy to that address by first class mail. Since the borrower failed to appear at the trial, the court entered a default judgment against him. In a post-judgment hearing, the borrower argued that service of process at his parents’ address was insufficient and that the default judgment should be set aside. The appellate court reversed, however, finding that service was insufficient because it was not reasonably calculated to inform the debtor of the pending suit.

Note that in Norris, the debtor's parents were actually home to receive the papers. Still, service was insufficient because, in this case, they were not under any duty to inform their son of the suit. In your case, no one was home to receive the papers. Moreover, the sheriff should have known this since, as you stated, the house was clearly unoccupied. His effort, therefore, does not appear to have been reasonably sufficient.

As for whether the collector could argue that you were obviously notified - this would not be a persuasive argument. The same argument was tried in Norris, where the evidence showed that the debtor knew about the lawsuit even though he had not received the summons and complaint. Indiana law is well settled that the mere fact that a defendant has knowledge of the action will not grant the court personal jurisdiction.

You should appear in court at the scheduled hearing anyway. If you fail to appear, one of two things could happen: (1) you could get lucky and the judge will dismiss the complaint for insufficient service; or (2) the judge will render a default judgment against you, in which case you'll have to appear in court eventually in order to try to vacate the default judgment. Neither your mere appearance, nor any cease and desist letter should support the plaintiff's argument that you were served.

Finally, I am sorry, but I cannot represent you in this matter. Please consider retaining a local attorney who can represent you for a reasonable fee. I'm not sure how much the alleged debt is in your case; but if it's a lot, it may be well worth it to invest in legal counsel.

I hope this answers your questions and concerns well enough for now. Once again - best of luck to you.

Kind regards.

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