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Can you please clarify what this "trial" is about that starts on November 8?
The letter indicated that a "Trial" will be held at the Chicago District Council of Carpenters on November 9th. Sounds like a kangaroo court
And what is the trial for?
What are the allegations?
They are charging that I was in violation of the collective bargaining agreement by working for a non-union company. The business agents walked into to the company, unannounced, thru the dock door and found me standing in the warehouse. Not working....just standing there.
Well, as a general matter, the person is bound to the terms of the collective bargaining agreement for possible penality.
Frequently, the penalty is a fine.
the goal is to threaten to take away my pension....or organize my employer to become union
It may be possible, however, to go after the pension.
The devil is in the details and those details are found in the language used in the collective bargaining agreement.
As a general matter, when you are a part of a union, you agree to certain terms.
When you follow those terms, you enjoy certain benefits.
If you/employee do not follow those terms, then there is a breach and benefits may be withheld/penalties imposed.
The union is a non-hiring hall. They will not find you a job. You have to find your own. The electrical union is a hiring hall. You go down there and they place you in job sites. The carpenter union is not allowing me to have a job and feed my family
It's a complaint I hear a lot.
It's like you are placed in the impossible position.
With the economy being so bad, more employees feel that they have no choice but to take non-union jobs.
And then the union cracks down on them.
I plan to attend the "trial" with a local attorney (once I find one) to represent me and got get railroaded
I've never heard that a union can take away something that is rightfully mine.
Make sure you have a copy of your collective bargaining agreement with you.
And a copy of your union bylaws.
If you don't have them right now, you should be demanding to be provided a copy so that you can study them well before the trial.
They are not to cooperative in providing a current copy of the bylaws
You're entitled to them.
I plan to kick the can down the road and tell them that I am our of the area until November 15th and that I cannot attend. This will give me more time to get the bylaws and have a local attorney read them
Is there anything else that I can assist you with?
I just wanted to find out if you ever heard of a union taking away a pension.
Yes, I have. It's the most extreme.
It's like a person getting fired for gross misconduct.
how much proof do they need to have? Smoking gun standing over the body or just hear-say eveidence?
They don't need a smoking gun.
This is not a criminal trial.
They don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
their rules apply
I suppose, if they do take away the pension, then I go to a real court to get them back
Your attorney can better advise you on that after they've had a chance to read your documents.
Thanks for your help
......and participated in the trial to see what the allegations/proof is.
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