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Welcome. My name is XXXXX XXXXX would be glad to assist.
were you the one who helped me earlier?
On the dimmer? 3 way?
run into something?
the question i have now is not totally related to the 3-way/4-way dimmer issue.....
ok, what is it you need assistance on?
so let me know if you see this image
I can see it, let me look for a min, anything in particular?
well, the number 1 seems to be the hot and black wire when touched with the tester it beeps
is it safe to say that the number 1 wire is providing power to 2 and 3?
it seems weird that whoever wired this hooked the whites to the black. do you think so?
trying to understand the wires and colors
is the #1 black connected to to 2 whites?
is that weird?
what does the #1 white do in the box?
im not sure i think it is providing power to the 2 and the 3 which was a fan light and fan low med high
but is it connected to anything? or just loose in the box?
on the wall there is that 4 way for all the ceiling lamps then an on off switch for the fan lamp then the low med high dial. I have uninstalled the ceiling fan and am adding a new dimmable new lamp 2 feet from there, and adding a new dimmable lamp 6 feet from there and adding an outlet in the attic.
it was connected like in the picture
there are 3 cables in that box , correct? each one with black and white wire? Is that what I am looking at?
and the 2 blacks and the single white showing loose were connected to an old switch you removed?
on the right in the picture it should say fan switch wires
no this picture is in the ceiling where the ceiling fan was hanging
Oh, hang on, thought it was a switch box
ok, and the wires from the ceiling fan were connected to the black and whites in the picture
trying to determine why you show one set as fan wires?
the bottom wires lead to the wall switches as far as i could figure
this box is where the fan was mounted, correct?
wait a sec
you had separate switches for the fan and light?
yes this pic is the ceiling box where the fan was mounted, yes separate
ok, and are the switches still in their boxes or removed?
and each switch was connected to ta black and white wire, correct?
ok, got it
one was a switch the other was a dial type of switch
so was it weird that they had the black hooked up to the whites?
apparently, they did not have any 3 wire cable. so, they wired it like you do with many lights when the power is in the light box. So, what you do: take the HOT black wire coming into the box, connect it to the whites that go to the switches. Then return power from the switch on the black wires.
if they had 3 wire cable, they would have used only 1 white for power and returned on the black and red
It was very standard for 50 years or longer, when power is in the lighht box, to send power down to the switch on white and back on the black when using a 2 wire cable.
hmm.... im trying to process this. i guess ive got it.
the #1 black is HOT 120 volts.
the 2 whites connect to it and send 120 to each switch for power
then the switch returns the 120 to the light or fan on the black wire
with only 2 wires in the cable, there are no other options
now we use 3 wire cables, so you dont have to do the odd connections like that one.
so i disconnected all of it and im hooking up two new ceiling lamps to be switched and dimmed separately plus a power outlet in the attic.
is this possible?
i already ran the wires 12-2 to each new hole in the ceiling on a 15amp breaker
you have power now, dont need another circuit
are you going to use the switch locations now?
ok, i didnt add a circuit
yes i want to use the wall switches for the 2 separate ceiling lamps
give me 1 sec
so what i did is installed the two new dimmer switches, and hooked all the whites together in the ceiling and all the blacks together in the ceiling outlet and flipped the breaker. It seemed fine until I threw the dimmer that used to control the fan lowmedhigh and it popped and sparked. it did not trip the breaker though.
yea, you need to change the wiring, have a diagram now
put the original wiring back the way it was found. Then add your new items to the locations shown
dimmers can be very finicky when wired incorrectly, so hopefully they are allright
just a heads up for you in case
looking at it now..... please hold
so im throwing out the popped dimmer switch and replacing it. for starters......
ok, probably shorted it out
now in your picture, where is my #1 wire (in the top of my picture)
the #1 is on the left
it is like you had in yours
so the grey is the white wires right?
yes, it is as close as my program gets with white background
i just cant understand the pic. now i have to go to work for an hour.... ill look at it later. thanks
getting another one easier to see
used your original picture
hopefully that diagram helps better, just let me know when you return, no problem.
Is the second diagram a little easier to follow?
yes, it was much easier to follow
Ok, wanted to be sure, did not hear back and was concerned that it may not have shown up properly
I followed your diagram and everything works perfect!! Thanks so much! Other dude on Just Answer Electrical named Sparky could not figure it out.
Excellent, glad to assist on the issue. Keep me in mind on the next adventure.
Have a great wknd :)