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ceiling 3 speed 3 wire switch and diagram

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I need a wire diagram for a 3 speed 3 wire switch and diagram of CAPACITOR for a model TFP-352 ceiling fan my guess is the CAPACITOR is connected wrong and that is why I am only getting 2 speeds

Submitted: 2 years ago.
Category: Electrical
Expert:  Michelle-Mod replied 2 years ago.

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Customer: replied 2 years ago.

i will be able to wait for a limited time also I might be coming and going

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Customer: replied 2 years ago.

just hoping you find one today

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

anything because it is getting to fail time


 

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Customer: replied 2 years ago.

I will not be able to get back in touch until 7:00pm my time or for 10 hrs

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.
Hi, I'm Norm and I'd like to help. I've posted a diagram for a typical three-speed fan circuit. I could not find one specific to your fan, but this diagram appears to be a fairly standard connection. It uses a three-lead capacitor and there are others with four-wire capacitors. If that is your case, I can post another diagram. Another possibility for your problem is that you have a bad capacitor. If this diagram doesn't help, maybe you could post a diagram of what you have and how you've connected it so far. I could then look at that and see if I can figure out what needs to be done.
graphic
Customer: replied 2 years ago.

the capacitor is whats start up the fan correct. if so I only have a two wire capacitor. and the switch only has spaces for 3 wires one in two out. it does first click wire 1. second click wire two. third click both wires. fourth click is off. I found the resistor wires. and I think I got the switch in but T think the problem is the capacitor wiring

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.
Hi, I'm on my way out the door this morning, but will get back to you this evening. In the meantime, can you post a sketch of what you have done so far? Thanks.

Norm
Customer: replied 2 years ago.

pretty much give up and took it to just fans. but I did figure out witch wires hooked up to the switch though. but the capacitor was a complete bust

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.
Hi, I'm back. Here's another diagram with a two-wire capacitor that sounds like the setup you have. The black rectangle in the center of the diagram, of course, is the capacitor, and it looks like you have a multi-winding motor. Let me know if this makes sense with what you have.

Normgraphic
Customer: replied 2 years ago.

some what close but there are only three wires to the switch and the


L 1 2. the switch has off slow, med, high. high is both 1 and 2 powered low is 1 powered and med is 2 powered. 1 and 2 are the resistors and L I believe is the reversing. that is how the switch is wired. there is no power going directly to the switch but there is one going to the motor or the reversing. one is neutral and one is power. but I don't think the capacitor the wires are gray and white

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.

Is there a separate reversing switch on the fan? Most fans have a little slide switch mounted on the bell housing for reversing and it is separate from the pull chain speed switch. And, can you give me the make and model no. of the fan? We'll get this yet.

 

Norm

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

yes


 

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

Attachment: 2013-02-06_235954_scan0001.pdf

Attachment: 2013-02-07_000020_scan0002.pdf

dont no if this will help but it is the instruction to the fans


sorry had to fold it for it was to tall

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

http://www.vintageceilingfans.com/mosstropicalbreezetfp-348.html


this is the closes I could find of a pic


and the scan attached I added the whole that wore on the motor on the bottom

Attachment: 2013-02-07_003549_scan0003.pdf


 


 


 

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.
Here's what I think you have. This diagram is for a larger motor than what you have in your fan, but, based on what you sent me, I think the connections are the same. I could find diagrams of fan connections with switches similar to yours, but no capacitor. This diagram shows a three-lead switch with a capacitor and it could be what you are looking for. Let me know.

Normgraphic
Customer: replied 2 years ago.

i don't it is at all.First you have three wires going to windings.I believe mine is based on resisters and there are only two wires to the motor .Two it 1'st click first resistor low 2nd click second resistor med third click both resistors. what makes this very difficult I can only see in the bell other that the holes in the motor. the butXXXXX XXXXX is were I am needing to get the wire back to gather but it been very hard. I am thinking i am going to have to play with it a couple time a day until I get lucky

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

white to white was never touched


brown to brown was never touched


grey to grey never touched


green to green never touched


small red ? believe to resistors


small black ? believe to second resistors


small blue from rev switch?


large red throw center fan only ? maybe for lights


large black throw center fan only ? maybe for lights


white threw center fan to anther white wirer


grey threw fan to anther grey wirer


top green ground


the second red wire is to show you that the switch can only take 3 wires


but it is a four speed switch


off , low ,med ,high


 


maybe tomorrow I will get to show the pics of what I'm working on it was going to be in this message but the camera is not working now

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.
What are the chances that what you are calling resistors are really capacitors? There are lots of connections that use multiple capacitors to get the different speeds.

Norm
Customer: replied 2 years ago.

here are the pictures












the info tag thought there might be some info I can't think of.


on a capacitor setup will taking a double energy make it a high speed?

Expert:  Norm replied 2 years ago.

I have gone through your photos and the list of wire colors and I have to admit I'm stumped. I do think what you have is close to the last diagram I sent, but I don';t know how to tell you how to differentiate the wires and confirm it. I'm going to have to opt out and open the question to another expert who knows more about ceiling fans. I hope Just Answer can find someone who can help.

Norm

Customer: replied 2 years ago.

well thank you for trying throw

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sure just let you know this is pretty much the only time I can talk but e-mailing was going fine

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are you still looking for a professional to help with this problem gina?

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how do I e-mail norm

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how do I e-mail norm. I made a giant leap in progress but still need help

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