Our male Rhodesian is being paired with a female of same breed and she is almost in Estrus- he is not overly motivated, but does sniff , drool and today started licking her in the right place. Is he just waiting for her to be ready? (He is 4 ,she is 2yrs. both have been vet cleared for breeding)
Hello, I'm Dr. Deb and I'll do my best to help you today. I have a few questions to ask about this situation, if you don't mind:1. What do you mean when you say she's almost in estrus?2. Are you timing her with vaginal smears or progesterone testing?3. Has she been bred before?4. Has the male been bred before?
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good evening, she began to bleed 7 days ago. From what were told she should be transitioning into estrus from pro estrus and her blood is getting more watery. No, we have not done vaginal smears or prog. testing. the female's owners do have an on call vet who has advised that she is likely ready because of the behavior she exhibits ( flirting, getting under him etc., but we haven't seen "flagging" ) Neither dog has been bred before. we have been advised to keep them together for the next few days continuously so she will be coming to stay with us starting tomorrow.We have gotten to know her quite well by now ) .
Our question is being asked because we are hoping our male is exhibiting the right mating behaviors at this stage- he is a very lovely ,calm and even tempered dog, and he seems to be checking her out and then after a few sniffs and licks, walks away, like he doesn't think she is ready. On the other hand, the owners of the female are quite eager for results, and I would rather give them the opportunity to find another male if ours is not showing the correct signs! He is a high pedigreed dog with an impressive lineage so I don't know why he would have issues, but , this is his first time (ours too!) Just looking for some outside non biased thoughts! thanks for your time..
Thanks so much for the detailed information; this is very helpful. If your girl is, indeed, in proestrus, then his behavior is entirely normal. He's showing some interest but not too much which is consistent with this phase of her heat cycle. Without the testing that I mentioned, you can't entirely know for sure where she is in her cycle, but the average dog is in proestrus for about 9 days.In terms of timing a female dog's cycle, you can't necessarily rely on the color or amount or consistency of her discharge because there's such a great deal of variability between females.You can't even rely on some of her behavior (flirting, flagging, etc) although females ready to be bred will allow the male to mount them...this is generally a reliable indicator that she's in estrus. There's nothing wrong with this but if the female doesn't become pregnant this time around, then it may be something to consider for future breedings.I agree that it's a good thing to leave them together at this time.If the owner of the female dog really wants to maximize the likelihood of her becoming pregnant, then ovulation timing should be done. However, I do understand that many breeders just put the dogs together at prescribed times and let nature take it's course, so to speak. Many dogs obviously become pregnant this way...and I'm assuming that this is probably what will be done in this case.I hope this helps and good luck as things progress:) Deb
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thanks so much! I do have one question more at the moment.. as Nina is coming to stay here with us,is it best to leave them together 24/7, or should I separate them at night when they sleep? I ask because our boy , Zeke, is used to sleeping in his own dog bed in our bedroom, and he may get more rest and be more fresh every day ,to get on with the deed! they get along really well, but I don't want them to get bored with each other either. so where they sleep and how much they are together, does this matter?
hi again - I have another question for you! now our boy is very eager and has tried to mount her several times, with an erection, and she just snaps at him,yelps, and wont stay still. Even though she is constantly flirting,crawling under him and going back for more! is it because she is just inexperienced? should she be held to remain calm and in place? If she is still not ready ,(it is day 12 since her first bleed) the last thing I would want is for her to be "forced", but I have read that sometimes you can "encourage" things along , by holding her head in place to keep her still.. what would you say? Her owner is coming by today to try and soothe her, but I want to be sure she is ready.. and no, the progesterone test was not done ..:(
thanks for your help if you get this.
thanks so much, It really is helpful to have my concerns answered. Now, this afternoon, he is showing no interest in her at all! this morning he was all over her! We have separated them for a couple of hours now to see whether absence makes the heart grow fonder... but i f as you say she hasn't ovulated yet, then we may have a few more days to go !
will keep you posted, but it is good to know she shouldn't be held to stand. I didn't feel right about that anyway.
Hi Dr. Deb- well, we have taken Nina home to her family for tonight , as the interaction today (of a courting nature) dwindled to nil. They still play and "box" but Zeke, (our boy) wasn't even sniffing her anymore or trying to get close to her. So we thought maybe a little break for them, and then we will get together the next two days for a short period each time to see if she is more ready, (day 14 and 15 ) and can entice him again . I think I mentioned that she is quite a snippy and dominant girl so, I hope she hasn't just put him off!
I also wonder, but hate to think !, if for some reason she isn't "accepting" him? he is the only game in town that she is being put with , and he has demonstrated a clear dominance /desire.
Finally, these two have had several hours a day on their own- no people around - I actually wonder if maybe she just wouldn't " stand " in front of us, but perhaps they have done the deed and they have just moved on? is this possible behaviour after the act has been done? They have been together for the last 6 days straight!
yes, this has been a real learning experience !
Patti: Glad to be able to help but sorry that it may not have worked out as planned. But you never know.....she could still be pregnant since I've seen stranger things happen:) All it takes is one time!!! I'd love to hear back from you at any time. If you post a new question, just put "forCustomeronly" at the beginning of the sentence. I'm on my computer some part of every day so I'll get back to you as soon as I can.At least Zeke behaved as he should have in these circumstances which I know you were worried about. Take care and better luck next time as they say:) Deb
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Hi, Just wanted you to know, We now have 6 beautiful healthy puppies born on January 29th!! you were absolutely right about the former Split Heat, as 2 months later Nina went into full heat and it was the most easy natural thing we ever saw! They got right to it!
You were so very helpful in the first phases , and taught us alot, so we didn't give up. Thank you so much!! Patti