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Did you talk to your vet about in continence?
sorry * incontinence
I did. The vet felt that if it were incontinence, it would be happening all the time. My dog hasn't peed at my house since December; it's only happening at my sister's house. My sister lets her outside frequently. Today my sister found a huge pee puddle, let dog outside, saw her pee outside, cleaned up up pee with enzyme cleaner. Let dog back in, and 5 minutes later witnessed pee puddle forming on floor right behind dog. Dog hadn't had a whole lot of water leading up to it, either.
FYI, She goes to my sister's house for 6-9 hours a day 3 times a week, the rest of the time is with me.
I see you're typing, but I need to run to catch the train home. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can provide.
I would go back to the vet. This is not intentional marking as she is laying down and it sounds like the beginning of incontinence. Your sister has a couple of dogs so that means she may be getting more of a workout and be in a deeper sleep or, if your dog has any fear of passing another dog in the home she may not alert your sister she needs to go out. But I would have more tests run for illness and it would not hurt to talk again to your vet about spay incontinence and try some meds which would work in about 3 days . Diseases such as Diabetes would have her go in inappropriate places and times .
Do you know the breed mix? I can look up some of the prone diseases to each breed which may be a help
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Thank you, XXXXX XXXXX I'm taking her to see a different vet tomorrow and will discuss this with them. When I called my vet about it yesterday, he was convinced it was behavioral and wanted to put her on Xanax or some other anti-anxiety type of medication and I strongly disagree with that; I really feel she must have something physical happening. Thank you for your thoughts on the problem, possible medications and treatment preference; this will give me the proper terminology to discuss with the vet tomorrow.
Good luck ! Feel free to ask further questions after your vet visit.
Hi Dr. Peter,
The vet we saw today agreed that it is not behavioral because it was happening when she was laying down. He recommended starting with Proin (PPA) because of the risk of anemia and loss of bone density with DES. I gave her the first dose (he prescribed 50mg; she weighs 61 lbs) when we got home this morning. 2.5 hours later she vomited 3 times and was very lethargic. She has perked up a bit this evening and ate most of her dinner. I called the vet's office to tell them about the vomiting and was told by the person who answered to skip the Proin dose tonight and try again in the morning. It concerned me that it wasn't a vet telling me to do this, but rather just the person who answered the call. I called again later and left a voicemail, but haven't heard anything back. I was wondering what your opinion is?
Good morning. The most likely side effects of PPA are restlessness, irritability, and transient hypertension. Vomiting is pretty unusual with PPA so I might think that it has nothing to do with the PPA. However, medications can do just about anything but PPA will not cause any permanent trouble. I would suggest giving 1/2 the prescribed dosage of PPA with food for 2 days then up to regular dose if everthing is fine.
As far as DES and side effects, I have been prescribing DES for incontinence for years and my boss (old time vet) even longer and we have never seen anemia or bone loss in these patients. Most people decide DES over PPA simply because of cost (DES usually cheaper) and ease of compliance (1-2 times weekly dosing). I even have some patients that need both medications to control their incontinence.
Thank you for the additional information. This morning I gave her the prescribed dose as I was instructed yesterday and there hasn't been any vomiting. Perhaps it was the stress of going to a new vet's office. Thank you for the additional information about side affects.