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Wondering whether or not to test 11 yr old golden retriever

 

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Wondering whether or not to test 11 yr old golden retriever for Cushings Disease. Has some symptoms, but not many "classic" symptoms. The chem profile is worrisome. Don't want to do upsetting and potentially useless testing. Symptoms: lethargy, seeking cool floors, excessive panting... no excessive eating, drinking, or urination. Coat and elimination are fine. Maybe slightly decreased appetite or pickier eating. No vomiting. Chem profile: ALT 216, Alk Phos 190, GGTP 133, Urea Nitrogen 36, BUN/Creat 40, Cholesterol 364, Amylase 1318 (only high results, everything else normal).  Would appreciate a DVM or VMD to answer.

 

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Pet's Gender: Female
Pet's Age: 11
Type of Animal: Golden Retriever
Name of Animal: Bella

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Submitted: 326 days and 2 hours ago.
Category: Dog Veterinary
Value: $38
Status: CLOSED
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Expert:  Doctor Jeff replied326 days and 1 hours ago.

Hi, I am Dr. Jeff. I will try to help you. Please feel free to follow up if any more information is needed. I tend to agree with your leanings that chasing a diagnosis of Cushings may not be the best option. If cushings were present, I would expect some of the classic symptoms especially the drinking/ peeing, appetite, and pendulous belly. Frankly, the fact this Bella is an aging Golden with elevated liver tests, I am more concerned about bigger issues. There is a form of cancer common in Goldens called Hemangiosarcoma. This can occur in the liver, spleen, heart, lungs, skin (not likely in this case), etc. When present in the liver or spleen it can cause elevations in the liver values. Some of these dogs will have a slightly pendulous belly like with cushings syndome, because a mass can grow large enough to cause this effect. I would consider a recheck/ second opinion and discuss testing that includes xrays of the chest and abdomen as well as CBC (complete blood count which looks are red and white blood cells and their relationship to each other). I would also make sure your vet sends the CBC to a lab for review versus an inhouse blood machine. This allows human eyes to note any strange red cell formation. A pathologist will review these cells. Hemangiosarcoma, as well as other forms of cancer and liver disease, have red cell findings that can guide your vet. You may also see a slight anemia (you may see pale gums) among other changes. So, I hate to scare you with a potential grave prognosis, but this is always a concern when a lethargic older golden walks in my door. It is very common, and is missed frequently by some vets. These dogs pant due to slight blood loss and discomfort and are weak. So, cushings is far down my list of concerns, but I would certainly look at the xrays and CBC as your next step. I hope this helps and gives you direction.
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Dr. Jeff

Customer replied326 days and 1 hours ago.

Vet palpated abdomen, etc. and said she felt no large masses. Is this in any way sufficient? I tend to agree that we are dealing with cancer and not Cushings, however.

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Expert:  Doctor Jeff replied326 days and 1 hours ago.

It is encouraging, but not a rule out. This type of cancer is very aggressive and may start to cause issues when the main mass is very small. Plus, if it is on the liver it will be VERY tough to palpate and if it is on the heart, it is impossible to palapate. I hope I am wrong as this is a nasty form of cancer, but I see it so often in the older goldens that are "just not right" according to their owners. Others forms are also possible and it could even be a response to the extreme heat which can be tough on these older dogs. I would still have the xray and CBC done just in case. This is better use of your money and energy, that spending the money looking into cushings. I hope this helps.
Jeff

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Category: Dog Veterinary
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