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Where is the fuel pressure regulator. GM tells me they 't

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where is the fuel pressure regulator. GM tells me they don't know what im talking about. There is a fuel pressure sensor
Submitted: 1 year ago.
Category: Chevy
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

this one doesnt have a fuel pressure regulator,it is part of the fuel pump unit itself.

thanks

Fuel System Description Fuel System Overview The fuel system is an electronic returnless on-demand design. A returnless fuel system reduces the internal temperature of the fuel tank by not returning hot fuel from the engine to the fuel tank. Reducing the internal temperature of the fuel tank results in lower evaporative emissions. An electric turbine style fuel pump attaches to the fuel tank fuel pump module inside the fuel tank. The fuel pump supplies fuel through the fuel feed pipe to the high pressure fuel pump. The high pressure fuel pump supplies fuel to a variable-pressure fuel rail. Fuel enters the combustion chamber through precision multi-hole fuel injectors. The high pressure fuel pump, fuel rail pressure, fuel injection timing, and injection duration are controlled by the engine control module (ECM). Electronic Returnless Fuel System The electronic returnless fuel system is a microprocessor controlled fuel delivery system which transports fuel from the tank to the fuel rail. It functions as an electronic replacement for a traditional, mechanical fuel pressure regulator. The pressure relief regulator valve within the fuel tank provides an added measure of over pressure protection. Desired fuel pressure is commanded by the engine control module (ECM), and transmitted to the fuel pump flow control module via a GMLAN serial data message. A fuel pressure sensor located on the fuel feed pipe provides the feedback the fuel pump flow control module requires for Closed Loop fuel pressure control. Fuel Pump Flow Control Module The fuel pump flow control module is a serviceable GMLAN module. The fuel pump flow control module receives the desired fuel pressure message from the engine control module (ECM) and controls the fuel pump located within the fuel tank to achieve the desired fuel pressure. The fuel pump flow control module sends a 25 kHz PWM signal to the fuel pump, and pump speed is changed by varying the duty cycle of this signal. Maximum current supplied to the fuel pump is 15 A. A liquid fuel pressure sensor provides fuel pressure feedback to the fuel pump flow control module. Fuel Pressure Sensor The fuel pressure sensor is a serviceable 5 V, 3-pin device. It is located on the fuel feed pipe forward of the fuel tank, and receives power and ground from the fuel pump flow control module through a vehicle wiring harness. The sensor provides a fuel pressure signal to the fuel pump flow control module, which is used to provide Closed Loop fuel pressure control. Flexible Fuel Sensor The flexible fuel sensor measures the ethanol-gasoline ratio of the fuel being used in a flexible fuel vehicle. Flexible fuel vehicles can be operated with a blend of ethanol and gasoline, up to 85 percent ethanol. In order to adjust the ignition timing and the fuel quantity to be injected, the engine management system requires information about the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. The flexible fuel sensor uses quick-connect style fuel connections, an incoming fuel connection, and an outgoing fuel connection. All fuel passes through the flexible fuel sensor before continuing on to the fuel rail. The flexible fuel sensor measures two different fuel related parameters, and sends an electrical signal to the engine control module (ECM) to indicate ethanol percentage, and fuel temperature. The flexible fuel sensor has a three-wire electrical harness connector. The three wires provide a ground circuit, a power source, and a signal output to the ECM. The power source is battery positive voltage and the ground circuit connects to an engine ground. The signal circuit carries both the ethanol percentage and fuel temperature within the same signal, on the same wire. The flexible fuel sensor uses a microprocessor inside the sensor to measure the ethanol percentage and fuel temperature, and changes the output signal accordingly. The electrical characteristic of the flexible fuel sensor signal is a square-wave digital signal. The signal is both variable frequency and variable pulse width. The frequency of the signal indicates the ethanol percentage, and the pulse width indicates the fuel temperature. The ECM provides an internal pull-up to 5 V on the signal circuit, and the flexible fuel sensor pulls the 5 V to ground in pulses. The output frequency is linear to the percentage of ethanol content in the fuel. The normal range of operating frequency is between 50 and 150 Hz, with 50 Hz representing 0 percent ethanol, and 150 Hz representing 100 percent ethanol. The normal pulse width range of the digital pulses is between 1 and 5 ms, with 1 ms representing -40°C (-40°F), and 5 ms representing 151.25°C (304.25°F). The microprocessor inside the sensor is capable of a certain amount of self-diagnosis. An output frequency of 180 Hz indicates either that the fuel is contaminated, or that an internal sensor electrical fault has been detected. Certain substances dissolved in the fuel can cause the fuel to be contaminated, raising the output frequency higher than the actual ethanol percentage should indicate. Examples of these substances include water, sodium chloride (salt), and methanol. It should be noted that it is likely that the flexible fuel sensor will indicate a slightly lower ethanol percentage than what is advertised at the fueling station. This is not a fault of the sensor. The reason has to do with government requirements for alcohol-based motor fuels. Government regulations require that alcohol intended for use as motor fuel be denatured. This means that 100 percent pure ethanol is first denatured with approximately 41/2 percent gasoline, before being mixed with anything else. When an ethanol gasoline mixture is advertised as E85, the 85 percent ethanol was denatured before being blended with gasoline, meaning an advertised E85 fuel contains only about 81 percent ethanol. The flexible fuel sensor measures the actual percentage of ethanol in the fuel. Fuel Tank The fuel tank stores the fuel supply. The fuel tank is located in the rear of the vehicle. The fuel tank is held in place by 2 metal straps that attach to the underbody of the vehicle. The fuel tank is molded from high-density polyethylene. Fuel Fill Pipe The fuel fill pipe has a built-in restrictor in order to prevent refueling with leaded fuel. Fuel Filler Cap The fuel fill pipe has a tethered fuel filler cap. A torque-limiting device prevents the cap from being over-tightened. To install the cap, turn the cap clockwise until you hear audible clicks. This indicates that the cap is correctly torqued and fully seated. Fuel Tank Fuel Pump Module The electric turbine style fuel pump attaches to the fuel tank fuel pump module inside the fuel tank and supplies fuel through the fuel feed pipe to the high pressure fuel pump. The fuel tank fuel pump module contains a reverse flow check valve. The check valve maintains fuel pressure in the fuel feed pipe in order to prevent long cranking times. The fuel tank fuel pump module consists of the following major components: * The fuel level sensor * The fuel pump and reservoir assembly * The fuel filter * The pressure relief regulator valve Fuel Level Sensor The fuel level sensor consists of a float, a wire float arm, and a ceramic resistor card. The position of the float arm indicates the fuel level. The fuel level sensor contains a variable resistor which changes resistance in correspondence with the position of the float arm. Fuel Pump The fuel pump is mounted in the fuel tank fuel pump module reservoir. The fuel pump is an electric turbine style pump which pumps fuel to the high pressure fuel pump at a pressure that is based on feedback from the fuel pressure sensor. The fuel pump delivers a constant flow of fuel even during low fuel conditions and aggressive vehicle maneuvers. The fuel pump flex pipe acts to dampen the fuel pulses and noise generated by the fuel pump. Fuel Filter The fuel filter is located in the fuel pump module. The paper filter element traps particles in the fuel that may damage the fuel injection system. Pressure Relief Regulator Valve The pressure relief regulator valve replaces the typical fuel pressure regulator used on a mechanical returnless fuel system. The pressure relief regulator valve is closed during normal vehicle operation. The pressure relief regulator valve is used to vent pressure during hot soaks and also functions as a fuel pressure regulator in the event of the fuel pump flow control module defaulting to 100% pulse width modulation (PWM) of the fuel pump. Due to variation in the fuel system pressures, the opening pressure for the pressure relief regulator valve is set higher than the pressure that is used on a mechanical returnless fuel system pressure regulator. Nylon Fuel Pipes Warning In order to reduce the risk of fire and personal injury observe the following items: * Replace all nylon fuel pipes that are nicked, scratched or damaged during installation, do not attempt to repair the sections of the nylon fuel pipes * Do not hammer directly on the fuel harness body clips when installing new fuel pipes. Damage to the nylon pipes may result in a fuel leak. * Always cover nylon vapor pipes with a wet towel before using a torch near them. Also, never expose the vehicle to temperatures higher than 115°C (239°F) for more than one hour, or more than 90°C (194°F) for any extended period. * Apply a few drops of clean engine oil to the male pipe ends before connecting fuel pipe fittings. This will ensure proper reconnection and prevent a possible fuel leak. (During normal operation, the O-rings located in the female connector will swell and may prevent proper reconnection if not lubricated.) Nylon pipes are constructed to withstand maximum fuel system pressure, exposure to fuel additives, and changes in temperature. Heat resistant rubber hose or corrugated plastic conduit protect the sections of the pipes that are exposed to chafing, high temperature, or vibration. Nylon fuel pipes are somewhat flexible and can be formed around gradual turns under the vehicle. However, if nylon fuel pipes are forced into sharp bends, the pipes kink and restrict the fuel flow. Also, once exposed to fuel, nylon pipes may become stiffer and are more likely to kink if bent too far. Take special care when working on a vehicle with nylon fuel pipes. Quick-Connect Fittings Quick-connect fittings provide a simplified means of installing and connecting fuel system components. The fittings consist of a unique female connector and a compatible male pipe end. O-rings, located inside the female connector, provide the fuel seal. Integral locking tabs inside the female connector hold the fittings together. High Pressure Fuel Pump The high fuel pressure necessary for direct injection is supplied by the high pressure fuel pump. The pump is mounted on the rear of the engine and is driven by a three-lobe cam on the Bank 2 exhaust camshaft. This pump also regulates the fuel pressure using an actuator in the form of an internal solenoid-controlled valve. In order to keep the engine running efficiently under all operating conditions, the engine control module (ECM) requests pressure ranging from 2 to 15♦MPa (290 to 2176♦psi), depending on engine speed and load. Output drivers in the ECM provide the pump control circuit with a 12♦V pulse-width modulated (PWM) signal, which regulates fuel pressure by closing and opening the control valve at specific times during pump strokes. This effectively regulates the portion of each pump stroke that is delivered to the fuel rail. When the control solenoid is NOT powered, the pump operates at maximum flow rate. In the event of pump control failure, the high pressure system is protected by a relief valve in the pump that prevents the pressure from exceeding 17.5 MPa (2538 psi). Fuel Rail Assembly The fuel rail assembly attaches to each cylinder head. The fuel rail distributes high pressure fuel to the fuel injectors. The fuel rail assembly consists of the following components: * The direct fuel injectors * The fuel rail pressure sensor Fuel Injectors The fuel injection system is a high pressure, direct injection, returnless on-demand design. The fuel injectors are mounted in the cylinder head beneath the intake ports and spray fuel directly into the combustion chamber. Direct injection requires high fuel pressure due to the fuel injector's location in the combustion chamber. Fuel pressure must be higher than compression pressure requiring a high pressure fuel pump. The fuel injectors also require more electrical power due to the high fuel pressure. The ECM supplies a high voltage supply circuit and a high voltage control circuit for each fuel injector. The injector high voltage supply circuit and the high voltage control circuit are both controlled by the ECM. The ECM energizes each fuel injector by grounding the control circuit. The ECM controls each fuel injector with 65 V. This is controlled by a boost capacitor in the ECM. During the 65 V boost phase, the capacitor is discharged through an injector, allowing for initial injector opening. The injector is then held open with 12 V. The fuel injector assembly is an inside opening electrical magnetic injector. The injector has six precision machined holes that generate a cone shaped oval spray pattern. The fuel injector has a slim extended tip in order to allow a sufficient cooling jacket in the cylinder head. Fuel Injection Fuel Rail Fuel Pressure Sensor The fuel rail pressure sensor detects fuel pressure within the fuel rail. The engine control module (ECM) provides a 5 V reference voltage on the 5 V reference circuit and ground on the low reference circuit. The ECM receives a varying signal voltage on the signal circuit. The ECM monitors the voltage on the fuel rail pressure sensor circuits. When the fuel pressure is high, the signal voltage is high. When the fuel pressure is low, the signal voltage is low. Fuel Metering Modes of Operation The ECM monitors voltages from several sensors in order to determine how much fuel to give the engine. The ECM controls the amount of fuel delivered to the engine by changing the fuel injector pulse width. The fuel is delivered under one of several modes. Starting Mode The ECM supplies voltage to the fuel pump control module when the ECM detects that the ignition is ON. The voltage from the ECM to the fuel pump control module remains active for 2 s, unless the engine is in Crank or Run. While this voltage is being received, the fuel pump control module closes the ground switch of the fuel tank fuel pump module and also supplies a varying voltage to the fuel tank fuel pump module in order to maintain the desired fuel line pressure. The ECM calculates the air/fuel ratio based on inputs from the engine coolant temperature (ECT), manifold absolute pressure (MAP), mass air flow (MAF), and throttle position sensors. The system stays in starting mode until the engine speed reaches a predetermined RPM. During a cold start, the engine control module (ECM) commands dual-pulse mode during Open Loop operation to improve cold start emissions. In dual-pulse mode, the injectors are energized twice during each injection event. Clear Flood Mode If the engine floods, the engine can be cleared by pressing the accelerator pedal down to the floor and then cranking the engine. When the throttle position sensor is at wide open throttle (WOT), the ECM reduces the fuel injector pulse width in order to increase the air to fuel ratio. The ECM holds this injector rate as long as the throttle stays wide open and the engine speed is below a predetermined RPM. If the throttle is not held wide open, the ECM returns to the starting mode. Run Mode The run mode has 2 conditions called Open Loop and Closed Loop. When the engine is first started and the engine speed is above a predetermined RPM, the system begins Open Loop operation. The ECM ignores the signal from the heated oxygen sensor (HO2S). The ECM calculates the air/fuel ratio based on inputs from the engine coolant temperature (ECT), manifold absolute pressure (MAP), mass air flow (MAF), and throttle position sensors. The system stays in Open Loop until meeting the following conditions: * The HO2S has varying voltage output, showing that the HO2S is hot enough to operate properly. * The ECT sensor is above a specified temperature. * A specific amount of time has elapsed after starting the engine. Specific values for the above conditions exist for each different engine, and are stored in the electrically erasable programmable read-only memory (EEPROM). The system begins Closed Loop operation after reaching these values. In Closed Loop, the ECM calculates the air/fuel ratio, injector ON time, based upon the signal from various sensors, but mainly from the HO2S. This allows the air/fuel ratio to stay very close to 14.7:1. Acceleration Mode When the driver pushes on the accelerator pedal, air flow into the cylinders increases rapidly. To prevent possible hesitation, the ECM increases the pulse width to the injectors to provide extra fuel during acceleration. This is also known as power enrichment. The ECM determines the amount of fuel required based upon throttle position, engine coolant temperature (ECT), manifold absolute pressure (MAP), mass air flow (MAF), and engine speed. Deceleration Mode When the driver releases the accelerator pedal, air flow into the engine is reduced. The ECM monitors the corresponding changes in throttle position, mass air flow (MAF), and manifold absolute pressure (MAP). The ECM shuts OFF fuel completely if the deceleration is very rapid, or for long periods, such as long, closed-throttle coast-down. The fuel shuts OFF in order to prevent damage to the catalytic converters. Battery Voltage Correction Mode When the battery voltage is low, the ECM compensates for the weak spark delivered by the ignition system in the following ways: * Increasing the amount of fuel delivered * Increasing the idle RPM * Increasing the ignition dwell time Fuel Cutoff Mode The ECM cuts OFF fuel from the fuel injectors when the following conditions are met in order to protect the powertrain from damage and improve driveability: * The ignition is OFF. This prevents engine run-on. * The ignition is ON but there is no ignition reference signal. This prevents flooding or backfiring. * The engine speed is too high, above red line. * The vehicle speed is too high, above rated tire speed. * During an extended, high speed, closed throttle coast down-This reduces emissions and increases engine braking. * During extended deceleration, in order to prevent damage to the catalytic converters Fuel Trim The ECM controls the air/fuel metering system in order to provide the best possible combination of driveability, fuel economy, and emission control. The ECM monitors the heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) signal voltage while in Closed Loop and regulates the fuel delivery by adjusting the pulse width of the injectors based on this signal. The ideal fuel trim values are around 0 percent for both short and long term fuel trim. A positive fuel trim value indicates the ECM is adding fuel in order to compensate for a lean condition by increasing the pulse width. A negative fuel trim value indicates that the ECM is reducing the amount of fuel in order to compensate for a rich condition by decreasing the pulse width. A change made to the fuel delivery changes the long and short term fuel trim values. The short term fuel trim values change rapidly in response to the HO2S signal voltage. These changes fine tune the engine fueling. The long term fuel trim makes coarse adjustments to fueling in order to re-center and restore control to short term fuel trim. A scan tool can be used to monitor the short and long term fuel trim values. The long term fuel trim diagnostic is based on an average of several of the long term speed load learn cells. The ECM selects the cells based on the engine speed and engine load. If the ECM detects an excessively lean or rich condition, the ECM will set a fuel trim diagnostic trouble code (DTC).

Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

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Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Yesterday I was told by just answer that my problem was a fuel pressure regulator. Today you tell me there is not one. I'm going to start from the top. This vehicle had fuel in it that looked very cloudy. I drained and cleaned the fuel system and replaced the in tank fuel pump. The pressure is right now at 67psi. But the fuel rail pressure is 1800 to 2300 while cranking and won't start. There are no DTC. Any ideas
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

THERE IS NO REGULATOR..DOES THE ENGINE LIGHT STAY ON?IF SO CAN YOU GIVE ME THE COMPUTER CODES?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Ok there are no codes and yes the engine light stays on.
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

ok,,tell me what happened to the car,,why are you working on it to bein with,,,back ground

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
The car wouldn't start. Checked the fuel pressure and it was 0. Replaced the pump because the fuel looked contaminated and pump wasn't running. Now vehicle won't start and the computer says the fuel rail pressure is 1800 to 2300 psi while cranking. The fuel pump pressure from the tank is 67 psi.
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

does the security light stay on?

will it start with a prime[if you spray starting fluid or a little fuel into the throttle body?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
No security light. If you prime it no start.
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

ok..do you have a spark from the coils?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
there is spark
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

ok,,if the car is in time,,it should at least fire with the prime

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Could it be flooding because the rail pressure is so high
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

i dont know what reading you are grtting here..it cant have that much pressure

Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

Ignition ON, engine OFF, command the Fuel Pump Enable ON with a scan tool. Verify the fuel pressure is between 345-690 kPa (50-100 psi) with the fuel pump running. Engine idling at normal operating temperature, the Fuel Pump Flow Control Module Fuel Pressure Sensor parameter should read between 300-400 kPa (43-58 psi)

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
The pressure from the in tank pump is fine. 67psi. The fuel rail pressure from the high pressure fuel pump is way to high I think. 1800-2300 psi while cranking. I don't know if that's normal. That pressure at idle should be 250-325 psi.
Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

the pressure at idle should be 43-58 on the rail at idle

Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

when you prime the engine,,you are putting fuel directly into the cylenders,,with a spark it should fire..

you could pull out a plug to check to see if it is wet and flooded..and make sure it has a spark,,while the plug it out,,check the compression of the engine,,it may have jumped time

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
You can't check the rail pressure other than with a scanner because of the high pressure fuel pump
Expert:  Tool Hut replied 1 year ago.

I have replied to other question with my suggestions

Expert:  Tim's Auto Repair replied 1 year ago.

yes,,correct