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2005 chevy tahoe: dash indicator..without touching..Neutral indication

 
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I have a 2005 chev Tahoe that the SERVICE 4WD is coming on in the dash indicator. At times it seems to be in 4wd without touching the selector button. At other times it show a red light at the Neutral indication between the Selector buttons. Is this a Recall? The SERVICE 4WD was coming on soon after I bought this Tahoe new.

 

Country: United States
Make: Chevrolet
Model: Tahoe 4x4
Year: 2005
Engine: 4.8

Submitted: 343 days and 21 hours ago.
Category: Chevy
Value: $29
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Expert:  Jerry Newton replied 343 days and 21 hours ago.

There are no "recalls" for the 4WD system, but there are a number of bulletins.

It depends on what codes your 4WD system is storing, since the bulletins are mostly specific to certain codes and conditions.

I have been noticing a few cases like yours, of transfer cases that seem to shift by themselves. In my experience, new encoder motors are fixing this concern, but I would also want to make sure that your truck has the latest software calibrations, and I would like to know what trouble codes you have, before making a fix.

Unfortunately, GM will not be offering you any financial assistance with this, since your factory warranty is expired, and there are no recall campaigns (which WOULD be covered at no charge) that apply to this system.

Customer replied 343 days and 21 hours ago.

I would like a little more info. I'm a mechanic and I would like to do my own repair. I have a code reader, but will I need Chev specific manuals in order to get the exact answer. I'm currently on a tight budget and I'm looking for the cheapest fix. If it needs Software upgrade do I have to go to a dealer? And will the code readr tell me Software? About what does it cost for Dealer Manuals? or will an aftermarket manual be enough? If I have to go to a dealer what costs could I expect? Troubleshoot- how much? Sftware- how much? Part- how much? Ball park.

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Expert:  Jerry Newton replied 343 days and 21 hours ago.

Software updates must be done at a dealer, or at the very least, at a well-equipped independent shop. (Requires a Tech 2 or a programming interface module, plus a subscription to GM TIS for the software itself).

To my knowledge, GM does not print paper manuals anymore. Helm is the name of the company that used to do so, and they might make one for consumer use, but dealerships don't use paper copies at all, it's all electronic.

Aftermarket manuals vary in quality, but I've never seen any of them that even come close to the information in the factory service manual. Also, a code reader will not give you the trouble codes you need. It requires a scan tool that has the ability to communicate with the ATC system, so this typically means investing in a professional quality scan tool, just to get the trouble codes.

The Tech 2 will tell you what the current software level is, but you'll still need to subscribe to GM's TIS website in order to see what the latest release is, and what it addresses.

The short answer to all of the above: it's pretty tough to do this on your own, unless you're really equipped.

Now....

If this truck rolls into my shop, the first thing I'm doing is seeing what the trouble codes are, followed by looking at applicable TSB's, and following that with researching software updates to see if any of them address the problem at hand. At that point, I would probably just update the software out of convenience since I'm already there with a scan tool hooked up. You could probably expect to pay me for an hour of shop time to do all of that. Some techs will charge you more to update the software..... I see it as part of the diagnostic process, it needs to be the latest software before I invest any parts into it, so that is a variable you might come across.

You plan on $100 to diagnose it, and if it needs an encoder, you can plan on spending about $400 on that, plus another $80-100 to install it. You're a DIY type, though: you can replace an encoder motor pretty easily, and you'll find that they cost less out in the aftermarket, too. It might need a switch, we had a lot of trouble with switches, and those cost about $80 or so.

If you want to take it in, ask them to update your software, tell you what codes are in it, and give you a diagnosis, I think you'd reasonably expect to pay $100-150 for that information. I know that's a lot of money, but this equipment is expensive and any shop needs to get a return on that investment.

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