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99 suburban: under load..Fuel pressure..engine running..fuel filter

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my 99 suburban idles rough, smells of gas, has a loss of power, bogs down under load and backfires. My codes are a P0300 (random misfire) and a P0174 (lean fuel). Fuel pressure tested: key on engine off 61psi engine running 55psi it has a new fuel filter. the lean fuel code and the gas smell make no sense at all. Any ideas what is going on? Where I can start to trouble shoot?
Submitted: 6 years ago.
Category: Chevy
Expert:  Hal replied 6 years ago.

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When did this concern start?

 

What injector spider does it have? the poppet style , or the updated injectors style?

 

Can you read the miss fire indicators to determine the cylinders that have the highest misfires? Or do you just have a code reader?

Customer: replied 6 years ago.
I just have a code reader. my brother in law has a more detailed one and he hooked his up. it did not pull a specific cylinder misfire. it came out random misfire. Not sure what style injectors I have. I bought it with the build already done.

It just started last week thursday night.

It just seems odd that I have excess fuel. (the fuel smell and the backfiring indicate I am getting plenty of fuel) I tend to think it is not the injectors. Since you can't "time" these motors what would cause the injectors to "spit" at the wrong time? Does my logic make sense?
Expert:  Hal replied 6 years ago.

Here is what can cause the back fire. Condensation inside the distributor cap can cause a cross fire. If it backfires inside the intake, It can cause the injector tubes to melt and excessive fuel will flood the engine . (fuel smell)

The timing can be set and must be within 2 deg of 0tdc. it is set by reading the cam sensor offset, on a scan tool. But if it has been running fine and no check engine light up to this point, that is not you concern.

 

Check the distributor cap for moisture and corrosion on the terminals.

Use a small flash light to look through the throttle body opening to inspect for melted fuel line tubes.

If they are melted , install the updated design. It is cheaper than buying individual injectors, and runs better.

 

A scan tool that has the capability of reading live engine data is needed to see the cylinder misfire indicators. A P0300 is random misfire. that means more than one cylinder shows misfires. but there is usually one or two that show more than the others , and can be isolated with the proper tool.

 

Thanks

Hal

Customer: replied 6 years ago.
If I check all these things and they come out fine what is a good list of things to continue to check and rule out after this. backfiring is only one of my issues.

Expert:  Hal replied 6 years ago.
When does it backfire?
Customer: replied 6 years ago.
only when I jump on it
Expert:  Hal replied 6 years ago.
I know this might sound simple , but have you inspected for carbon tracks on the outside of the spark plug insulators? Or pin holes in the plug boots? coil wire corrosion on the terminal?
Customer: replied 6 years ago.
no but I will. That was my next step in all this was to check all the ignition pieces. Let's assume that all checks out fine though. Is there anything else this could be? I have had people still trying to tell me it is my fuel pump. you have not mentioned it once. I don't have the $$$ to just dump into this thing. I want to logically and methodically rule out one thing at a time until I fix it! If you could just give me a run down of all the possibles starting with the most likely going to least likely I would greatly appreciate it.
Expert:  Hal replied 6 years ago.

You said you had 56 psi fuel pressure. Are you saying that is not the case?

Ignition concerns like moisture in the cap, carbon tracks on spark plugs, distributor timing( cam offset). these things when under a loaded condition will cause a cylinder misfire, low power and a backfire, when the spark plug starts to fire again, and there is a rich fuel mixture in the cylinder.

 

Connect your fuel pressure gauge up and drive it under the conditions of the low power and back fire. If it holds 55-60 psi, fuel pump is good. Fuel filters that are restricted can cause low power , but i have not had them cause a backfire.

 

#1 Look for a black carbon track, or a cracked spark plug insulator.

#2 inspect the spark plug boots for small pinholes. A small white burn witness mark on plug boot may be present if there is a hole in boot.

#3 Coil wire terminal connections.

#4 burn through marks in distributor cap.( look where two terminal come close together) this cap has terminals that cross the cap, and can jump through the cap material.

#5 P0174 rt bank lean fuel mixture. swap o2 sensors bank to bank and see if the lean condition follows the o2 sensor. ( it will set p0171) , if so it could be a skewed sensor and should be replaced. A sensor that creates a false lean condition , will cause the computer to richen up the injectors on that side. This can cause converter to overheat, and melt down, resricting exhaust flow. a pressure test can be performed on the cat to make sure it is not restricted.

 

These are the most common causes that I have run into . Just by changing plugs can cause the boot not to seal properly around the plug, This opens up the opportunity for moisture to get in and cause the spark to jump. Once it starts jumping to ground, it starts building a carbon track. The longer it goes on the more frequently it occurs.

If this is what you find, replace the spark plug and the plug wire, at the same time.

 

If you need more information, Please Ask.

Thank You

Hal

 

 

Customer: replied 6 years ago.
This makes logical sense to me! my fuel pressure does stay steady, but people kept saying it sounded like I had a bad fuel pump. That did not make any sense. What you are saying does make sense.

Thank you very much!
Expert:  Hal replied 6 years ago.

Most people think they know what can cause a condition but never actually have repaired one. You were right for questioning that thought process. You sound like you have a very logical thought process, and I hope the information I provided you will be helpful.

Please if you need more help with this concern or another, Please Ask. I will be more than glad to help.

Thank You.

Hal

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