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96 cavalier: it wont start, it will crank but it..firing..light stays

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ok i have a 96 cavalier and it wont start, it will crank but it's not firing, i have replace everything, but it still wont start, i even bought the bypass for the security system because the light stays on all the time. so they told me it was that, well it didn't work. can you please tell me what it could be? thanks
Submitted: 5 years ago.
Category: Chevy
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.

Hello lisa,

First you need a scan tool to view the failure codes & computer data.The computer must have a valid signal to start the engine.Sometimes these after market bypass kits work & sometimes they don't. I prefer repairing the system problem,so as not to add to the problem at hand.A good bit of the time ignition switch replacement & relearn theft system will cure problem.

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
scan tool to view the failure codes & computer data, we did that and it shows no codes, it says pass, we put a new computer in it,we replace the key switch too.
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
Did you relearn the ignition to the computer ?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
yes we did,
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.

Check for an IPC code in body controls with a scan tool.If your work is correct you have a poor connection or faulty IPC.

Object Number: 27435  Size: SF

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
what is the ipc? but what cause the problem was i gave someone a boost and it quit and it wouldn't start again and it still wont start.
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
IPC- Instrument panel cluster.Boosting another vehicle is not a good idea,a voltage spike can take out any electrical module in the car.Look at the image I sent .
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
well we done checked all that, and everything is good, so now what>?
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
  1. Install a scan tool.
  2. Ignition ON engine OFF, throttle closed.
  3. What is the TPS reading ?

Check the Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor while cranking the engine.

Does the MAP sensor voltage change value while cranking the engine?

What are the voltage readings ?

 

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
i will try it and ill let you know shortly..
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
OK
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
i had a mechanic look at it and he checked them and said they where all good.. he said something about a temporary by-pass to the theft system that we could do. have you heard of this? and if so is there a temporary by-pass that you can do without having to by any thing? thank you
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
Yes,I have heard of this,but it does not always work.
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
what do i have to do to by-pass it? can you explain it more better to me. thanks
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.

OK,this should help you.

How to bypass the VATS (PASSKey II) system in a late model GM vehicle


 

This document pertains to the following vehicles:

Pontiac

1994-1996 Grand Prix

1992-1999 Bonneville

1993-2002 Firebird/Trans Am/Firehawk

Buick

1994-1996 Regal

1992-1999 LeSabre

1991-1996 Park Avenue

1991-1996 Roadmaster

1995-1999 Riviera

Oldsmobile

1994-1997 Cutlass Supreme

1992-1999 Eighty Eight/LSS/Ninety Eight/Regency

1991-1996 Custom Cruiser Wagon

Chevrolet

1995-1999 Monte Carlo

1995-2001 Lumina

1993-2002 Camaro

1986(?)-1996 Corvette (C4)

Cadillac

1991-1996 Fleetwood

1992-1997(?) Seville/STS/DeVille

Any other GM Vehicles with the VATS or PASSKey II system (If your ignition key looks like the one pictured below.)

vatskey.jpg (133588 bytes)

Before we begin, here's a question to ponder:

-- When you insert your ignition key and attempt to start the car, will the car not even attempt to crank over? Does the "Security" light flash during any time you're attempting to start the car?

The simple solution is to first clean off the chip on your key or try another key for the same car. If that also doesn't work, then follow my instructions for a fast, simple, and relatively inexpensive repair.

**NOTE** After performing the following procedure, your vehicle's factory starter interrupter (VATS) will be disabled. A thief will be able to steal your car much easier than if the VATS system were enabled.

***Now that being said, I want to stress that I am not an expert on the VATS system, by no means. I simply stumbled across a way to bypass a malfunctioning "reader" in the ignition lock cylinder. On my 92 LeSabre, the wires running from under the dash to the "reader" broke inside the steering column, and I didn't feel like pulling the column apart to fix or replace the lock cylinder. Using a Factory Service Manual, I located the wires in question and created the "resistor pack" to jumper accross them.

Just to reiterate: I am not an expert on this system, and know nothing more than how to bypass the "reader" in the ignition lock cylinder. I can only give 100% confirmation that this trick works on W-Body and H-Body vehicles. I have never tried the bypass on any Cadillac, Camaro, Riviera, or Corvette VATS system, so they could possibly be slightly different that what I've posted here (and the trick might not work exactly as described.)

Please follow the links at the end of this document for further help.

With that out of the way, here's an explanation of the VATS system (which I culled from a locksmith selling VATS blanks on eBay.)

WHAT IS VATS?

Vats stands for Vehicle Anti Theft System. Lots of people refer to this type of key, as a " computer Chip key". This key or "Chip" has nothing to do with a computer, nor is it a chip. But because of the popularity of calling it a computer chip key, so will we. So that we don't confuse. The black chip on the blade of the key, is actually a resistor. GM first started using the Vats key in 1986 on the Corvetts, then some of the Cadillacs, ect. GM uses 15 different resistors in their VATS keys. Just by looking at the keys you can't tell the difference.

How does the VATS System work?

Each VATS key has it's own unique cuts on the key to operate the lock. but the cuts alone will not allow the car to crank. This is called a mechanical key. Each car has a VATS module (Brain) under the dash that communicates to the starter, fuel pump, and the ignition lock. Each VATS module is randomly given a # (value) from the manufacturer. When the proper mechanical keys, along with the proper VATS chip (resistor value) turns the ignition lock, the VATS module reads the chip on the key . If it is the correct chip, the VATS module will tell the starter and the fuel pump to operate. If the wrong chip is read, the VATS module will tell the starter and the fuel pump to shut down.

How to determine the Value of your key:

By chance you may know what VATS key you now have. Most people do not. There are basically two ways to determine what VATS key you have. Remember, there are 15 differrent possibilities. First, your key can be "read" in a VATS tester. Most locksmiths have these readers, and don't change anything to tell you. There is another way for you to read the key value yourself. If you have a Volt Meter you can test the OHMS (resistance value) of the chip yourself. Just set your Volt meter to check OHMS, take each lead and place it on each side of the "chip" on your key. A number will appear. Take that number on your volt meter and apply it to the OHMS chart below. Keep in mind that it may not be exact. Just pick the closest value to your reading.

This chart is for any GM product, Buick, Cadillac, Oldsombile, Chevrolet, and Pontiac that has a VATS key (single or double-sided.)

VATS # (K)OHMS (Set your meter to the 20k ohm setting)

1---- 0.402
2---- 0.523
3---- 0.681
4-----0.887
5-----1.130
6-----1.470
7-----1.870
8-----2.370
9-----3.010
10----3.740
11----4.750
12----6.040
13----7.500
14----9.530
15----11.801

Okay, onward we go!

Tools and supplies needed:

Soldering Iron

Wire Cutters/Strippers/Crimper

Voltmeter/Ohmmeter (DMM)

Approx. 8 inches of 16 ga. wire (speaker wire works great)

"Bullet-Style" solderless connectors

Heat Shrink Tubing

Resistors of varying values (totalling the resistance measured across the key's "pellet") I get asked quite frequently what the wattage of said resistors should be. I've used 1/2 Watt resistors with much success.

Alright, let's begin the madness:

1. Take your DMM, set it to measure Ohms (use the 20k setting.) Measure the resistance across the pellet of the ignition key. Place one probe on the silver part of one side of the pellet, and the other probe on the other side. Write this value down.

2. Purchase a resistor or resistors that add up to the value measured in step 1. Radio Shack is a great place to go for the resistors, heat shrink tubing, and the "bullet-style" solderless connectors.

3. Take the 16 ga. wire and cut into 2 four-inch pieces.

4. Strip off approx 1/16" of insulation off each side of both wire pieces.

5. Put your resistors together in series (or if you're lucky and have a chip that has a resistance that matches a single resistor) and solder one wire to one end of the resistor(s) and the other wire to the other side.

Example: You measure 11.72 on the 20k (k meaning kilo or 1,000) scale. The closest match is 11.801 which is a #15 "chip." Always remember that resistors have a tolerance of 2%, meaning the resistance value of the "pellet" can be either 2% higher or 2% lower than 11.801 k ohms (11.72 falls in tolerance range.) You will want to aim for 11,801 ohms. So when you go to Radio Shack you want to pick up a 10,000 ohm (10k,) a 1,000 ohm (1k,) and an 800 ohm resistors to wire together in series to achieve the 11.801k ohm value.

Here's an example of how you'd connect the above mentioned resistors in "series"

wire------10k ohm------I------1k ohm------I------800 ohm------wire

6. Measure the resistance across the 2 wires now that the resistors are soldered to them. Be absolutely sure the value matches that of the resistor pellet in the ignition key (within 2% up or down.)

7. Cut a length of heat-shrink tubing to cover up the resistors, allowing a small bit to hang over onto each of the 2 wires. Use a lighter or heat gun to shrink the tubing.

8. On one of the wires, crimp on a male bullet connector, and on the other wire crimp on a female bullet connector.

9. Now what you have should look like this:

vats.jpg (38518 bytes)

Notice in the above "resistor pack" I lucked out and only needed 1 resistor to match the pellet's resistance. You may not be so lucky...

10. Now move to the car. Remove the under-dash kick panel.

11. Look for an orange wire running down the steering column. This wire should have a "rubbery" feel to it, and it is the only orange wire running from the column.

**WARNING** Do not tamper with any of the wires near the column wrapped in yellow harness tape or any yellow wire. These wires are for the airbag. Tampering with any of these wires could result in the airbag discharging.

orangewire.jpg (42215 bytes)

12. Cut this wire (there are 2 small wires inside) and strip back the insulation on the wires on the opposite side of the steering column.

13. Install a male bullet connector to one of the 2 wires, and a female on the other.

14. Plug in your "resistor pack" that you made by mating the male and female bullet connectors.

diagram.jpg (31252 bytes)

15. Attempt to start the car. If your problem was with the VATS reader in the ignition lock cylinder, this will start the car.

If this won't start the car, then the problem is in the VATS module. If the VATS module is bad, remove the resistor pack. Strip the insulation off the other side of the main wire cut (running from the column) and place a male connector on one wire and a female on the other. Plug the 2 halves back together to restore the function of the VATS reader.

Before signing off, I have received some more info from a fellow W-Body.com forum member.

From WhiteMonteZZZ :

If VATS is disabled (via your site), then additional keys without the VATS pellet are able to be purchased (and used) at most local hardware stores. The keyblank needed would be an ILCO (or equivalent) B62 blank (this has GM's 'A' keyway, no resistor, and typically was used on Cadillac Allante vehicles). The original key can be cut onto this blank, but the head typically needs to be filed down at the part nearest the ignition lock 2-3 mms. The standard B62 blank will hit the face of the igniton lock, so by shortening the head of the blank, you're in turn lengthening the blank.

He also says you can trim the plain-ole ignition key down with a dremel tool. Here is a pic he sent to me showing the new "trimmed" key:

trimkey2.jpg (35276 bytes)

You can plainly see where the key is cut by the outline drawn on the paper beneath the lower key.

Adding to WhiteMonteZZZ's suggestion, I recently received an idea from another W-Body.com member. stockgp recommends using an "AXXESS" brand key, blank #4. The head of the key is longer, and thus can be trimmed to the exact shape of a VATS key:

axxess.jpg (27163 bytes)

I've seen these keys sold at Wal-Mart in the past (not sure if they have them anymore) and stockgp says he bought his at "Busy Beaver" (in the Pittsburgh area.) I recall K-Mart having sold these keys as well.

Many thanks to WhiteMonteZZZ and stockgp for their very helpful suggestions!

Now to conclude the document, I have been shown a way to completely bypass the VATS module altogether. The VATS module generates a 30/50hz ground pulsed signal to the ECM/PCM to enable the fuel injectors. There is a way to fool the ECM/PCM into seeing that signal. You will need to build your own signal generator with parts from Radio Shack.

Here's the link to the page with the plans:

http://home.hiwaay.net/~davida1/passkey.htm

Here's a place that sells a module that does the same thing as the DIY version above:

http://fp.enter.net/~rockcrawl/passkey.html

I have no association with the above 2 links, so please no questions regarding them.

Here's a link to the original discussion on the W-Body.com forums.

http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php/topic,31124.15.html

Many thanks to James, a.k.a. "Turbocharged400SBC" on the W-Body and W-Bodysource forums for that info!

Any questions or comments? Feel free to drop me a line atmailtoXXX@XXXXXX.XXXas I am always open to suggestions to improve this document. Just beware that I might not be able to answer your question if it's beyond what's discussed in this write-up...

This page was last "improved" on 7/28/2009

 

Copyright © 2004, 2009 by Kevin Bloomquist (a.k.a. "DiscoStudd" on various GM related forums) for LikeABigDog.Com. The text in this document may be reproduced without permission. Images are property of the owner and may not be reproduced without permission. All Rights Reserved

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
my keys don't have any chips in them, it came out before they made the ones with the chip, and my wires are white, black and black, so can i still use this vats system>? i really do appreciate your help..
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
What about the first post you said the security light stayed on ?
Customer: replied 5 years ago.
yes it does stay on all the time
Expert:  John replied 5 years ago.
OK ,your vehicle was built with a theft deterrent system on it from GM.I do not know what some one else has done to wire around the system ,but I believe this is your problem.

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