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2005 Scion XB intermittently wont start. Replaced battery

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2005 Scion XB intermittently wont start. Replaced battery today. Have power to all accessories. Can hear two clicks when attempting to start near relay box. Had the starter checked as well. Not turning over when attempting to start. Could start in 5 minutes. Who knows.
JA: How many miles are on the car? Has the car been starting normally?
Customer: 240,000. Yes, up until this week
JA: Are you fixing your xB yourself? What have you tried so far?
Customer: Yes. We replaced battery. The starter was checked and proven good. THe wiring from the top down to the starter was checked no corrosion. CHecked fuses
JA: Anything else you want the mechanic to know before I connect you?
Customer: No
Submitted: 3 months ago.
Category: Car
Expert:  Jerry replied 3 months ago.

Hello and welcome. My name is ***** ***** you for visiting the site, I am reviewing your question and will reply shortly, thanks.

Expert:  Jerry replied 3 months ago.

Have you tested the starter relay or the safety neutral switch, (trans position sensor)?

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Both aspect of the starter have been checked.
The stick was positioned in both park and neutral to no avail
Expert:  Jerry replied 3 months ago.

So, something is not working right. There is no way to know what it may be without testing the stating system while on the vehicle when the vehicle is not starting.

Expert:  Jerry replied 3 months ago.

I will opt out and open it back up. Please DON’T REPLY to this post as that will lock the question back to me, someone should be along shortly, I’m sure, thanks and sorry I wasn’t able to help with it.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
What do you think about the starter relay being failed?
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

Hello and welcome to just answer and allowing me to assist you. The clicking noise you hear , do you hear it at the relay in the fuse block or at the starter?

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
1 click at relay
Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Starter relay when removed of course no noise
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

Ok asuming the starter switch is communicating to the relay when you turn it to start because you have a click. so this is what we can do to see if the starter is receiving any signal. do you feel comfortable jumping the relay?

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Sure
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

ok there are four terminals ONE WILL BE HOT ALL THE TIME AND ONE ONLY POWERS UP WHEN TURNING THE SWITCH TO START . ONE WILL BE A GROUND AND ONE GOES TO THE STARTER. YOU WANT TO JUMP THE ONE THAT'S HOT ALL THE TIME TO THE STARTER ONE NOT THE GROUND. IF IT STARTS REPLACE THE RELAY.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Just torched the 30 amp fuse for starter. Which pole of the 3 do I jump to for bypass of relay.
From the front pole closest is hot, pole left lights when key goes to start position, pole right torched fuse
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

not being there it's usually the one directly across from the one that's hot all the time.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Is there a way to tell?
Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Peter, it is the pole directly across the plug, also copper terminal. It did bump the starter
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

Yes and it did turn the starter?

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
I am happy to report we just started it
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

EXCELLENT! so probably the relay was sticking and it needs to be replaced if that's all we did . hope you happy with my help.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Ecstatic
Thank you Peter
Please let me know if you're ever near Albuquerque and I'll buy you lunch
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

lol just show me where to go fishing . cheers.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
You got it
Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Are you up yet?
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

yes up do you need any more help?

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Jumping no longer works
Relay in, no start
Removing starter to reverify solonoid
Right track?
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

trying to get this? did you put a new relay in or just the same one in?

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
New and starter and solenoid still check out
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

ok , there are two wires at the starter on heavy one that should have power all the time and a smaller one that powers up when turning the ignition switch to start , check that.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Will do
It will be a while though
Other errands to run
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

I'll be her latter too.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
The block below starter relay, no longer has a second pole lighting up upon atempt to start.
Both leads to starter light when they are supposed to
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

you mean the one that should when the switch is turned to start?

Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

perhaps we're chasing things around so I found a link with diagrams for you to follow to check the circuit . I'll see if I can find a wiring diagram as well. http://www.clubxb.com/forums/front-page-articles/43038-quick-starter-circuit-check.html

Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

here is the starter circuit for your vehicle so you can trace the power flow.

Customer: replied 3 months ago.
Can you tell me where the neutral position switch is?
Expert:  Peter Bagley replied 3 months ago.

yes it's right at the end of the shift cable going into the transmission It's the little black thing with the wires on it.You can get at it from under neath left front or remove a few things from up above to access it from there