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Could you please describe exactly what is happeneing that leads you to say the anti theft is the issue?
What engine is in there? Is itXXXXX (so I can look up wiring diagrams if needed)
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I can jump wire the starter fuse on the main fuse block under the hood and with the key on my car will start and run. It turns off with the key. This tells me that a starter motor circuit has been opened, making the starter diabled between the key switch and the main fuse block. I also replaced the cruise control switch on the clutch pedal and the brake light switch. I also would like to know where the anti-theft circut elect. box is located on my car.
Does your security light come on/flash?
Did you want to diagnose the problem or are you looking to remove the unit?
If it can be diagnosed I would like to fix the problem ,but I am not beyond just removing it . Yes the light does come on. Also it is a 5 sp trans. / with 3.2 v-6. Thanks Rich
This is test is kind of lengthy - but we need to start here.
We need to determine where the problem lies.
Each step is numbered - if you could please correspond your answer with the number on the test we can avoid and confusion for me.
Please be sure that you HOOD is closed also for the testing.
ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM FUNCTIONAL TEST NOTE: Performing anti-theft system check will assist technician in identifying malfunctioning component(s) or circuit(s).
If all the above passes, then we will go to:
ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER CIRCUIT TEST
Step 1 o k
step 2 light does not flash
Step 3light does not come on
I can't go any farther with no light to check
I will be gone for couple hours then return
For step 2, we need to check the following:
Check for defective indicator bulb. If dome light and courtesy lights do not light with door open, check for poor contact at door switch or open circuit in door switch wiring circuit. Also, check for short circuit in detect switch. Check anti-theft and keyless entry controller circuits.
WE MAY END UP NEEDED A SCANNER FOR SOME OF THIS TESTING LATER ON.Do you have access to one that will read Body Modules?
Please note: Not every answer I give you is something you were hoping to hear, even though it is true. Such as; (it's more expensive than you wanted to spend, or you will need to have a professional repair shop do the diagnostics and /or repairs due to complexity reasons).
The light flashes after step 1 for 10 sec. but does not flash for step 2 or 3 test. courtesy lights come on .
1. Ensure doors, tailgate and hood are closed and locked. Turn ignition switch to ON position. Open windows fully. Turn ignition switch to OFF position and remove ignition key. Ensure anti-theft indicator light is off. If indicator light continues flashing, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT CONTINUES FLASHING under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
~~~ Sorry, I misunderstood your answer for step 1 - I thought ok meant it worked properly.
Here's the test we need to start for that issue:
If dome light or courtesy lights remain on after closing door, check for damaged door switch or short circuit in wiring.
Also, check for damaged tamper switch or short in wiring circuit. Check anti-theft and keyless entry controller circuits.
Here we'll need the meter:
NOTE: With anti-theft and keyless entry controller disconnected, starter is inoperative.Disconnect anti-theft and keyless entry controller.
Controller is located Behind Upper Right Corner Of Dashboard
She is a BEAR to remove but hopefully not to get the plug in disconnected.
Using a DVOM, check for continuity or voltage between ground and anti-theft and keyless entry controller connector terminal specified in appropriate ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER CIRCUIT TEST table. See Fig 1. If all circuits test as specified, replace anti-theft and keyless entry controller
ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER CIRCUIT TEST (AMIGO & RODEO)
already had this disconnected so i know where it is . Will do the tests tommorow. How would I disable this device and stat my car if I prefer?
Let me see if it is possible to disconnect it - I'll look up some diagrams.
It appears I might have to run a acc. switch from the main fuse block to my interior to actuvate my key ignition. ???
Sorry for the delay - I was checking the Anti theft system wiring, charging system wiring and starter system wiring.
Now - there is no way to know what is happening inside the logic (program) of the module, but the way I read the system: we need to install a bypass if you want to abandon the theft system.
*** I am unsure if anything else is going to be affected - so we'll have to play it by ear.
Step 1: Make sure on the clutch switch blk/green wire - that we have 12 volts when the key is in the START position.
IF WE DO THEN:
Step 2: On the anti theft module, locate the Starter relay control wire (wht/green pin #11)
Step 3: About 6 inches away from the module - cut the wire
Step 4 : Tape off the pigtail wire that goes to the module
Step 5: Splice whatever additional wire is needed to the remaining wht/green wire and run it to a GOOD ground
Step 6: attempt to start the vehicle - watching the 10 amp starter fuse in the under dash fuse box. (did it blow?)
Let me know what happens from there.
Is that module the one behind the glove box? if it is ,pin 11 is to a rear door switch my, car is a 2 door. Maybe I am looking at the wrong module.
The connector should look like this:
The module and wiring look like this:
IIf you look at #11 on the picture, you'll see what we are tring to accomplish:
Here is the removel procedure for the theft module to help you make sure you're looking in the right place:
~~~ Remember my earlier post: "
WARNING: Deactivate air bag system before performing any service operation. See AIR BAG RESTRAINT SYSTEMS article. DO NOT apply electrical power to any component on steering column without first deactivating air bag system. Air bag may deploy.
I sent a message earlier telling you that I went to the blk & grn wire on the clutch safety switch and found a loose wire going to it. I repaired the wire and reattached it and my car started. Every thing seems to be o k . If I have any more problems I will let you know. Thank you for directing me to those wires.
I Love it when Step 1 takes care of the issue!! (2/21/2013 at 11:08 PM )
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Thank you for the positive feedback :)Part of the reason I decided to participate in this forum was not only to help people on here but also to further my knowledge for my own shop here in WI.
I'm glad we got it figured out.
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