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isuzu amigo: my antitheft device on my 1998amigo wont let it

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my antitheft device on my 1998amigo wont let it start
Submitted: 1 year ago.
Category: Car
Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Virtual Technician :

Hello, My name is XXXXX XXXXX I will try my best to help you with your vehicle issue. Please note: Not every answer I give you is something you were hoping to hear, even though it is true.
Such as; (it's more expensive than you wanted to spend, or you will need to have a professional repair shop do the diagnostics and /or repairs due to complexity reasons).

Virtual Technician :

Could you please describe exactly what is happeneing that leads you to say the anti theft is the issue?

Virtual Technician :

What engine is in there? Is itXXXXX (so I can look up wiring diagrams if needed)

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

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Thanks,

Rich

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

I can jump wire the starter fuse on the main fuse block under the hood and with the key on my car will start and run. It turns off with the key. This tells me that a starter motor circuit has been opened, making the starter diabled between the key switch and the main fuse block. I also replaced the cruise control switch on the clutch pedal and the brake light switch. I also would like to know where the anti-theft circut elect. box is located on my car.


 


Thank you.


Don Underwood cell #928(NNN) NNN-NNNN/h3>

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Hi Don,

Does your security light come on/flash?

Did you want to diagnose the problem or are you looking to remove the unit?

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

If it can be diagnosed I would like to fix the problem ,but I am not beyond just removing it . Yes the light does come on. Also it is a 5 sp trans. / with 3.2 v-6. Thanks Rich

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

This is test is kind of lengthy - but we need to start here.

We need to determine where the problem lies.

Each step is numbered - if you could please correspond your answer with the number on the test we can avoid and confusion for me.

Please be sure that you HOOD is closed also for the testing.

Thanks,

Rich

ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM FUNCTIONAL TEST NOTE: Performing anti-theft system check will assist technician in identifying malfunctioning component(s) or circuit(s).

  1. 1. Ensure doors, tailgate and hood are closed and locked. Turn ignition switch to ON position. Open windows fully. Turn ignition switch to OFF position and remove ignition key. Ensure anti-theft indicator light is off. If indicator light continues flashing, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT CONTINUES FLASHING under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  2. 2. Unlock left front door using door knob. Open left front door and exit vehicle. Ensure indicator light flashes and dome and courtesy lights come on. If lights do not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  3. 3. Close and lock left front door using door knob. Ensure indicator light changes from flashing to steady illumination. If light does not operate as specified, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  4. 4. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  5. 5. Unlock left front door using door knob. All doors should unlock. Ensure alarm system operates correctly. Headlights should flash and horn should sound intermittently. If system does not operate correctly, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WHEN DOOR IS UNLOCKED MANUALLY (WITHOUT USING KEY) under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  6. 6. Unlock left front door using ignition key. Ensure alarm system is deactivated. If system does not deactivate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM WILL NOT DEACTIVATE under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  7. 7. Lock left front door and ensure all doors are locked. Ensure indicator light comes on. If indicator light does not come on, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  8. 8. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  9. 9. Unlock left front door using ignition key. Ensure alarm system does not activate. If alarm system activates, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM ACTIVATES WHEN USING IGNITION KEY TO UNLOCK DOOR under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  10. 10. Lock left front door using ignition key. Ensure indicator light comes on. If indicator light does not come on, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  11. 11. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING. NOTE: On 2-door models, omit rear door test steps.
  12. 12. Unlock left rear door using door knob. Ensure only left rear door is unlocked. Ensure alarm system operates correctly. Headlights should flash and horn should sound intermittently. If system does not operate correctly, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WHEN DOOR IS UNLOCKED MANUALLY (WITHOUT USING KEY) under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  13. 13. Unlock left front door using ignition key. Ensure all doors are unlocked and alarm system is deactivated. If system does not deactivate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM WILL NOT DEACTIVATE under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  14. 14. Open left rear door. Ensure indicator light flashes and dome and courtesy lights come on. If lights do not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  15. 15. Have assistant enter vehicle and close left rear door. Lock left front door using door knob. Ensure all doors are locked and indicator light comes on (steady). If indicator light is not steady, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  16. 16. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  17. 17. Unlock tailgate lock from inside vehicle to activate alarm system. Ensure only tailgate is unlocked. Ensure alarm system operates correctly. Headlights should flash and horn should sound intermittently. If system does not operate correctly, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WHEN DOOR IS UNLOCKED MANUALLY (WITHOUT USING KEY) under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  18. 18. Open tailgate, then lock tailgate using ignition key. Ensure alarm system deactivates. If alarm system does not deactivate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT DEACTIVATE WHEN TAILGATE IS OPENED WITH KEY under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  19. 19. eave tailgate open. Ensure indicator light flashes. If indicator light does not flash, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH under TROUBLE SHOOTING. Ensure luggage compartment light comes on. If light does not come on, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WITH TAILGATE OPEN under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  20. 20. Close tailgate and lock tailgate using ignition key. Ensure indicator light changes from flashing to steady condition. If light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  21. 21. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  22. 22. Unlock tailgate using ignition key. Ensure alarm system does not activate. If alarm system activates, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM ACTIVATES WHEN USING IGNITION KEY TO UNLOCK DOOR under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  23. 23. Lock tailgate using ignition key. Ensure indicator light comes on. If indicator light does not come on, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  24. 24. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  25. 25. Unlock right rear door using door knob. Ensure right rear door only is unlocked. Ensure alarm system operates correctly. Headlights should flash and horn should sound intermittently. If system does not operate correctly, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WHEN DOOR IS UNLOCKED MANUALLY (WITHOUT USING KEY) under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  26. 26. Unlock right front door using ignition key. Ensure all doors are unlocked and alarm system is deactivated. If system does not deactivate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM WILL NOT DEACTIVATE under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  27. 27. Open right rear door. Ensure indicator light flashes and dome light and courtesy lights come on. If lights do not come on as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  28. 28. Close right rear door. Lock right front door using ignition key. Ensure indicator light comes on (steady). If indicator light is not steady, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  29. 29. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  30. 30. Unlock right front door using door knob. Ensure only right front door is unlocked. Ensure alarm system operates correctly. Headlights should flash and horn should sound intermittently. If system does not operate correctly, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WHEN DOOR IS UNLOCKED MANUALLY (WITHOUT USING KEY) under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  31. 31. Unlock right front door using ignition key. Ensure alarm system is deactivated and all doors are unlocked. If system does not deactivate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM WILL NOT DEACTIVATE under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  32. 32. Open right front door. Ensure indicator light flashes and dome light and courtesy lights come on. If lights do not come on as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  33. 33. Close right front door. Lock right front door using ignition key. Ensure indicator light comes on (steady). If indicator light is not steady, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  34. 34. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  35. 35. Unlock right front door using ignition key. Ensure alarm system does not activate. If alarm system activates, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM ACTIVATES WHEN USING IGNITION KEY TO UNLOCK DOOR under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  36. 36. Lock right front door using ignition key. Ensure indicator light comes on (steady). If indicator light is not steady, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT IS NOT STEADY OR DOES NOT COME ON under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  37. 37. Wait about 10 seconds. Ensure indicator light turns off in about 10 seconds. Alarm system is activated. If indicator light does not operate as described, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT TURN OFF under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  38. 38. Open hood using hood release handle inside vehicle. Ensure alarm system operates. If alarm system does not operate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT OPERATE WHEN HOOD IS RELEASED under TROUBLE SHOOTING.
  39. 39. Insert key into ignition switch. Turn ignition switch to ACC position. Ensure alarm system deactivates. If alarm system does not deactivate, see ANTI-THEFT ALARM DOES NOT DEACTIVATE WHEN IGNITION IS TURNED TO ACC under TROUBLE SHOOTING.

If all the above passes, then we will go to:

ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER CIRCUIT TEST

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Step 1 o k


step 2 light does not flash


Step 3light does not come on


I can't go any farther with no light to check


 


I will be gone for couple hours then return

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

For step 2, we need to check the following:

ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH

Check for defective indicator bulb. If dome light and courtesy lights do not light with door open, check for poor contact at door switch or open circuit in door switch wiring circuit. Also, check for short circuit in detect switch. Check anti-theft and keyless entry controller circuits.

WE MAY END UP NEEDED A SCANNER FOR SOME OF THIS TESTING LATER ON.Do you have access to one that will read Body Modules?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please note: Not every answer I give you is something you were hoping to hear, even though it is true.
Such as; (it's more expensive than you wanted to spend, or you will need to have a professional repair shop do the diagnostics and /or repairs due to complexity reasons).

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

The light flashes after step 1 for 10 sec. but does not flash for step 2 or 3 test. courtesy lights come on .

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

1. Ensure doors, tailgate and hood are closed and locked. Turn ignition switch to ON position. Open windows fully. Turn ignition switch to OFF position and remove ignition key. Ensure anti-theft indicator light is off. If indicator light continues flashing, see ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT CONTINUES FLASHING under TROUBLE SHOOTING.

~~~ Sorry, I misunderstood your answer for step 1 - I thought ok meant it worked properly.

Here's the test we need to start for that issue:

ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR LIGHT CONTINUES FLASHING

If dome light or courtesy lights remain on after closing door, check for damaged door switch or short circuit in wiring.

Also, check for damaged tamper switch or short in wiring circuit. Check anti-theft and keyless entry controller circuits.

Here we'll need the meter:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

NOTE: With anti-theft and keyless entry controller disconnected, starter is inoperative.Disconnect anti-theft and keyless entry controller.

Controller is located Behind Upper Right Corner Of Dashboard

She is a BEAR to remove but hopefully not to get the plug in disconnected.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Using a DVOM, check for continuity or voltage between ground and anti-theft and keyless entry controller connector terminal specified in appropriate ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER CIRCUIT TEST table. See Fig 1. If all circuits test as specified, replace anti-theft and keyless entry controller

AMIGO & RODEO

ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER CIRCUIT TEST (AMIGO & RODEO)

Terminal No. (Circuit)(1)Test ConditionSpecification
1 (Front Door Switch)(2)Door Open/ClosedContinuity/No Continuity To Ground
3 (Detect Switch)(2)Locked With KeyContinuity To Ground
4 (Door Switch)(2)Knob LockedNo Continuity To Ground
5 (Power Door Lock Switch)Switch In Locked PositionNo Continuity To Ground
7 (Front Right Door Lock)Locked With KeyNo Continuity To Ground
8 (Horn)N/AContinuity(4)
9 (Front Left Door Lock)Locked With KeyNo Continuity To Ground
10 (Battery +)N/ABattery Voltage
11 (Rear Door Switch)(2)(3)Knob UnlockedContinuity To Ground
12 (Hood Switch)Hood Open/ClosedContinuity/No Continuity To Ground
13 (Detect Switch)(2)Unlocked With KeyContinuity To Ground
14 (Door Switch)(2)Knob UnlockedContinuity To Ground
15 (Power Door Lock Switch)(2)Switch In Unlocked PositionContinuity To Ground
17 (Ground)N/AContinuity To Ground
18 (Ignition - ACC Position)OFF Position/ ACC Position0 Volts/12 Volts
19 (Indicator Light)N/AContinuity(4)
20 (Room Light)N/AContinuity(4)
21 (Lighting Relay)N/AContinuity(4)
22 (Starter Relay)N/A0 Volts
(1)- Terminals not listed are not used.
(2)- Includes tailgate switch circuit.
(3)- 4-door models only.
(4)- If checking circuit voltage, voltage should exist (12 volts).


graphic

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

already had this disconnected so i know where it is . Will do the tests tommorow. How would I disable this device and stat my car if I prefer?

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Let me see if it is possible to disconnect it - I'll look up some diagrams.

Thanks,

Rich

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Thank you

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.
No Problem
Customer: replied 1 year ago.

It appears I might have to run a acc. switch from the main fuse block to my interior to actuvate my key ignition. ???

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Sorry for the delay - I was checking the Anti theft system wiring, charging system wiring and starter system wiring.

Now - there is no way to know what is happening inside the logic (program) of the module, but the way I read the system: we need to install a bypass if you want to abandon the theft system.

*** I am unsure if anything else is going to be affected - so we'll have to play it by ear.

Step 1: Make sure on the clutch switch blk/green wire - that we have 12 volts when the key is in the START position.

IF WE DO THEN:

Step 2: On the anti theft module, locate the Starter relay control wire (wht/green pin #11)

Step 3: About 6 inches away from the module - cut the wire

Step 4 : Tape off the pigtail wire that goes to the module

Step 5: Splice whatever additional wire is needed to the remaining wht/green wire and run it to a GOOD ground

Step 6: attempt to start the vehicle - watching the 10 amp starter fuse in the under dash fuse box. (did it blow?)

Let me know what happens from there.

Rich

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Is that module the one behind the glove box? if it is ,pin 11 is to a rear door switch my, car is a 2 door. Maybe I am looking at the wrong module.


 


Thanks

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

The connector should look like this:

graphic The module and wiring look like this:

graphic IIf you look at #11 on the picture, you'll see what we are tring to accomplish:

Here is the removel procedure for the theft module to help you make sure you're looking in the right place:

~~~ Remember my earlier post: "

Controller is located Behind Upper Right Corner Of Dashboard

She is a BEAR to remove but hopefully not to get the plug in disconnected.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REMOVAL & INSTALLATION

WARNING: Deactivate air bag system before performing any service operation. See AIR BAG RESTRAINT SYSTEMS article. DO NOT apply electrical power to any component on steering column without first deactivating air bag system. Air bag may deploy.

ANTI-THEFT & KEYLESS ENTRY CONTROLLER

Removal & Installation (Amigo and Rodeo)

  1. Disconnect negative battery cable. Disable air bag system. See AIR BAG RESTRAINTS SYSTEMS article. Open ashtray and remove screw from opening. Pull outward on lower center cover to release clips. Disconnect cigarette lighter connector. Remove front and rear center console.
  2. Remove sill plates and remove kick panels. Remove screws from bottom of glove box and remove glove box. Remove screws attaching hood release handle to lower cover. Remove remaining screws for lower cover.
  3. Remove screws attaching instrument cluster trim panel. Disconnect electrical connectors and remove instrument cluster trim panel and cluster. Remove driver's knee bolster.
  4. Remove screws attaching climate control panel to dashboard. Disconnect actuator cables and electrical connectors. Remove radio and storage compartment from dashboard.
  5. Disconnect 6 connectors on driver's side, 3 connectors on passenger's side, and 2 connectors in center of dashboard. Disconnect the passenger inflator module connector, radio antenna cable plug and remove ground cable bolt on left side of dashboard.
  6. Remove 8 bolts and 3 nuts attaching dashboard to vehicle. Rotate dashboard rearward enough to access controller on top of passenger side of dashboard. Disconnect electrical connector and remove retaining screws. To install, reverse removal procedure.
Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Rich,



I sent a message earlier telling you that I went to the blk & grn wire on the clutch safety switch and found a loose wire going to it. I repaired the wire and reattached it and my car started. Every thing seems to be o k . If I have any more problems I will let you know. Thank you for directing me to those wires.

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Don,

I Love it when Step 1 takes care of the issue!! (2/21/2013 at 11:08 PM )

Have a great Weekend!

Rich

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Customer: replied 1 year ago.

I rate your help & research at 5

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Don,


Thank you for the positive feedback :)

Part of the reason I decided to participate in this forum was not only to help people on here but also to further my knowledge for my own shop here in WI.

I'm glad we got it figured out.

Let me know if you ever need help again - It was a pleasure working with you!!

Rich

Customer: replied 1 year ago.

Thank you

Expert:  Virtual Technician replied 1 year ago.

Anytime!

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